I don’t feel smug because I left Reddit. I feel sad that it turned into a vapid, sterile mockery of itself and I stopped having fun there. I like fun places. And I lost one.
… and full of karma bots
… and using use input to train LLMs
Not antagonistically speaking here.
Do you think your input is not being used to train LLMs when posting on Lemmy? It’s publicly visible without an account.
I’d be shocked if there wasn’t either a scraper, or a whole federated instance, that was harvesting lemmy comments for the big ai companies.
The only difference is that no one is trying to make money off providing that content to them. A big part of the reddit exodus was that reddit started charging for api calls to make cash off the AI feeding frenzy, which broke tools the users liked. With lemmy, there’s no need for a rent-seeking middle man.
For sure and it’s frustrating knowing every post I make anywhere is being used to train LLMs generally, but as you mentioned reddit was particularly egregious about it, picked a specific partner(s) for it, and focused on monetizing their users’ content.
same. only a matter of time till it happens here too
The differences is that you have the power to make a new community or Lemmy site with blackjack and hookers. (Piefed is kind of like that for people unhappy with the Lemmy software or developers.)
Kind of. I don’t think the Internet will ever return to the heyday of Reddit.
Once governments and groups recognized that social media actually does move public opinion, that was the end of good, anonymous social media.
The ways to bring some of that back aren’t great. A community where everyone’s verified is much better, but it’ll be quite different from the Reddit days where you’d have (usually real) ridiculous subject matter experts chiming in on random threads.
You don’t get that with a small, verified population. And when you don’t have verification, well forever now have effectively psyops intending to influence you.
Well we can assume political discussions have a lot of psyops and people with agendas. I appreciate that many of the loudest voices/posters make it very obvious ;)
Some of the craziest niches aren’t on here (like if you clean sewers and septic tanks, DM me, you ought to do an AMA) but I have encountered people replying on mostly tech related topics on programming, linux, asklemmy, no stupid Qs where someone with niche tech knowledge did answer (i couldn’t find the original comment link, sorry). My knowledge is in trains, electricity, Japanese and Japanese electric trains, you can ask me about.
How is piefed going? It looks like a really great alternative.
Absolutely fine. I can interact much better with the fediverse on here except search. I find Lemmy does search functions better currently.
That’s not losing too much. You probably don’t even have to sign in to use lemmy’s search.
that for people unhappy with the Lemmy software or developers
So piefed is the software where the anti-commie zionist nazi’s are fleeing to to escape the evil communist devs of lemmy? Good to know!
this is actually what federation means to solve.
everyone can make their own lemmy!
Everyone can make a more intense echo chamber!
I’m just going to leave that to the self-fellating elephants.
Its kind of already happening here - just for different reasons.
There is very little engagement on Lemmy besides in a few communities. What little engagement there is - is driven by a few users.
Even broad conversion topics get very little engagement.
I get not everyone wants to be a topic “starter” (i know I don’t), but they can’t even bother to either:
1: just post a tiny comment (look at “what are you watching” in the movies / TV subs on piefed.Social; seems like a real easy topic for anyone to engage in and yet there’s only ever like 10 posts and zero upvotes)
2: upvote topics or posts; While the points don’t matter - they still show and promote engagement.
Its honestly rather frustrating.
I’d note that the same phenomenon exists on Reddit. You’d be surprised how many subreddits on a site much larger are maintained purely by the power of a few posters who feed the community with posts.
I’d also argue that television and movies on piefed.social, per activity, are much more active than what you suggest there.
If you really want a community to take off, you have to basically schedule yourself to make content there.
The lessons from every group I’ve grown (and haven’t) is that consistency is key. You have to develop the habit in other people, and it might take a long time to start.
If you want to be a Twitch streamer, for instance, you have to do it at the same time every day.
Voat was setup to be a one-to-one clone of reddit, minus any moderation and it failed because it was one-to-one. Lemmy/federation is functionally different.
It failed because apparently the only people who left were right wing nuts so the only content they had was right wing shit. There’s at least some Linux on lemmy…
Reddit also mass banned the worse people around that time and I suspect they did it to internationally poison the user base of Voat.
I’ve just recently moved, and I barely see any difference. Same US politics dawn to dusk, just more Linux and commies.
oh thats rich- have you thought about how it’s essentially criminal to post about what you just posted about instead of making a post about how you are pessimistic about one of the problems facing humanity???
Matter of time?? The libs of reddit have been infesting here for awhile now
what’s a lib
They mean a liberal.
.ML is a instance for people who support Russia. So they hate anything to do with progressive ideas.
Whats a liberal
Someone who agrees with liberal philosophy, basically the proposition that every individual has inherent rights & liberties.
.ML is a instance for people who support Russia.
LMBO no .ml is the marxist leninist instance for communists
I think they mean librarian? Or maybe the libyans
Liberians?
The difference between Reddit and Lemmy is that you can post this without getting shadowed banned
Just normal banned.
Life’s hard enough as it is, one has to practice self love.
Seriously, who wouldn’t do this if we could?
As someone who was more flexible as a teenager, let me tell you that it feels a lot more like performing the act, rather than having the act performed on you.
New friend-making skill acquired!
I like sucking dick but I also know there are a lot of people with dicks who don’t and one of the things I’ve heard from people who have succeeded performing autofellatio is that it feels more like sucking a dick than it does getting your dick sucked. Honestly, hearing this just makes me want to do it more.
You just gotta find a way to give yourself the ol stranger. Sitting on your arm until it’s numb before you jerk out.
Maybe Botox is the solution here? It definitely provides those DSL.
I don’t know whether my nose would be my organ of choice, but I otherwise agree.
Yeah but it would feel fucking great when you have a cold
You can’t?
Man, y’all are wrong. People on both platforms be stupid as hell. Myself included.
What was I talkin’ about?
Depends on what we mean by smart. Lemmy seems to especially attract the IT crowd, which in itself represents a huge swathe of specialty knowledge… which I can’t claim to be part of, but hey, medic checking in! But with reddit’s variety of topics to include… I mean, pretty much everything, since that website is massive: I don’t think they have any kind of knowledge deficit in a general sense.
Where Lemmy really shines is in stamping out the bigotry, not just in policy but from a direct community response: drop a post with some racism or sexism or w/e and you’ll be swarmed by posts telling you to fuck off and don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out. And I love it! :D
So, smarter? Fuck if I know. Significantly less evil? Fuck yeah!
I’m new here but this reminds me a lot of what reddit was like around 2008. I and lots of people came from slashdot, to be able to talk about things other than computers. So everyone is a nerd that cares about data and wants to have a genuine conversation, and I think that makes my experience more intelligent because it becomes less about winning by drowning interesting topics with the same rehashed jokes or tropes, and more about formulating your own thoughts as best you can.
Spot on diagnosis medic.
Lemmy also tends towards misogyny and truscum attitudes moreso than Reddit. There are great instances like blahaj or zip where that’s not the case, but on Lemmy it’s not feasible to only view posts on subscribed communities, while on Reddit it is. And that means it’s easier to build a progressive feed on Reddit.
Also one of the Lemmy lead devs is transphobic.
Also one of the Lemmy lead devs is transphobic.
Given that lemmy is far from transphobic this fact could be seen as a positive.
I mean…yes. This is one of the things I imagine I would try if I ever had the equipment.
You don’t have both a nose and dangle long enough? Please answer us that you do not regardless of your bait and tackle situation, I’m not feeling like getting jealous
Uh well I’ve got a clam. But I think if I had bait and tackle?? I’d have many things to try. Including working on my flexibility.
I’ve heard it feels more like sucking a dick than like getting your dick sucked
That’s not what I said
Lot of maritime analogies gong on here.
Auto-Fellatio Elephant on my home feed. What a day!
If I could do that I wouldnt be wasting my time here.
The irony is that reddit users would say the same about other people on other platforms.
I remember that. They never shutup about rick and Morty, and there was a whole community where they rated the smell of their own farts.
When the other platforms were twitter and facebook, it wasn’t really wrong either. The bar was just that low.
I do feel like I have more authentic interactions on here. It’s hard not to see how much more heavily a huge platform like reddit is botted and astroturfed, and controlled by a handful of owners, mods and powerusers, compared to the nascent fediverse. Not that we don’t have those things here too, I think Lemmy just hasn’t had a high enough profile, yet, to warrant much attention from the same bad actors who run vast portions of reddit, X, and facebook. Here’s hoping it stays that way for a little while longer.
We got the shitty power mods down though
Looking at you Dessalines, JordanLund, FlyingSquid, DraconicNEO
Careful - criticizing FlyingSquid in any way tends to lead to a ban.
No way! Criticising the power tripping asshole will get me power tripped?
But that’s Mastodon’s mascot!
For Mastodon, this is no metaphor, just a fetish
First thing this image makes me think of are Linux users
That’s what OP said, Lemmy users.
Tbf, a lemmy user is far less likely to be a bot, so… yes?
Mini rant: that’s the #1 thing I was getting sick of before exiting Reddit. It was at the point where the larger subs, think memes or technology, were all reposts of high performing posts that bots were posting. Then they’d use other bot accounts to steal the highest performing comments from under the same picture/article.
The amount of times I’d see the same post 10 times, with the same top comments all from different accounts that all cross posted between each other because they were a part of the same network was crazy. The bot population was insane at the time I left.
I’m not even talking about regular reposts which I actually do like. (I think there’s an XKCD about post exposure?) I’m talking about coordinated karma farms that would spam the hell out of the place.
How do you know?
Beep Boop
Yes I am a human
Beep
You think if I could do that I’d be here?
Toot that horn, little buddy.
He can’t it has a giant elephant dick in it
First off, we don’t know how giant that elephant dick is. And two, why are you dick shaming the elephant? What did they ever do to you?
