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    Then there’s all the expenses you didn’t know about before you bought the house. If you don’t have at least some DIY skills, you get to pay people a lot of money to fix things for you.

    …BTW, the county just did a reassessment on your property and your property taxes have now doubled. In exchange, you get nothing. Congratulations.

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        Hey, I just did these things! Water heater i was ripped off, which cost me $2600, and the roof i actually thought was a good deal at 17k. Not fun but the roof made me happy. The water heater actually destroyed my basement by leaking out…

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          I’m guilty of ignoring my water heaters. Had my backup start to leak and it cost $1500 to replace. So I immediately bought a new anode rod for my primary tank. Drained/flushed it and replaced the old rod which was completely gone. It was an easy task but you will need a cheap impact wrench, 1 1/16" socket and chain link anode rod to make it easy.

          It’s something you need to do every couple of years. But I never do it.

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          And so now you’ve learned that you need to regularly flush the water heater and change out the anode rod every few years, right? I just bought my first house. Hot water wasn’t working right. Heating element was dead. Why? There was so much scale that the lower element was covered in it. Replaced the element, flushed as much out as I could reasonably remove, and then flushed again six months later while replacing the anode rod. This keeps the corrosion at bay.

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            With new water heaters yes, do your maintenance. Old water heater that came with the place and hasn’t been touched in years? Yeah, the advice is to actually not flush it because you don’t know what cracks that gunk might be blocking up and it will be more likely to fail on you sooner.

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            I have no idea what that is, but I dont think I wanna know. I did want tankless on demand, but the service guy convinced me it’s not worth it, and I regret my decision. Said I won’t save much because the power draw is much higher than a water heater, so even though the heater is always keeping it warm, the on demand still takes more. I think I may have needed additional wiring for the electric and believe that’s really the reason he swayed me away.

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              Sounds like it is not common where you are, consider yourself lucky. Where I live, all new houses are built with predatory rental water heaters. $50-100/month forever. You end up paying the purchase price many times over. Electric tankless heaters use an insane amount of electricity when they operate. Overall they are more efficient, but the wiring needed to supply it will greatly increase the price, often requiring a panel upgrade and possibly an upgrade in service to the house.

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                Rental water heaters are some weird Canadian scam.

                My ~70 year old water heater failed 5 years ago. I drove to the nearest hardware store, paid $700 for a new one, and installed it myself.

                Comparing efficiency between electric and gas is complete nonsense. You need to compare operating cost. In my market, with very high electric prices, it’s $60/yr for gas tank, and $1,100/yr for electric tankless.

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                What happens if or when it breaks? Since it’s rented, is that at the very least not on you? I would imagine any or all work on it shouldn’t cost you anything since you’re paying monthly for it? Not that I want that, but do you get anything for this rental fee?

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        That’s true but when they double over 10 years and four schools in the area shut down due to “lack of enrollment”? Streets sure aren’t any better and my neighbor who works for the city has only had COL raises for the same past decade?

        c’mon… something is going on.

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          Whats going on is decades of mismanagement of property taxes and city zoning. People fight tooth and nail to keep their property taxes low, and eventually the city has to do a big increase because they failed to increase incrementally. The bigger issue is how poorly we zone and design most north american cities.

          The average car dependant suburb costs more to maintain than it generates in tax revenue. A denser area like mixed use neighbourhoods and “missing middle” housing fares far better and generates enough that it often ends up subsidizing the rest of the city, the same is usually true for denser downtowns. That trend is dying off as those denser areas demolish tax revenue generating businesses and homes to pave parking lots that don’t generate taxes to park cars from the suburbs that don’t generate enough taxes.

          You can’t afford a home because for decades suburbs were given a massive tax break while denser downtowns (guess where the poors have to rent and ultimately fund the property taxes) have to subsidize car dependant expensive to maintain subdivisions (which is usually for middle class or wealthier people, especially when built new). Add in some racial demographics and we’ve basically engineered every city to have secret tax cuts for anyone rich enough to get into the suburbs.

          The best part is, many cities are keeping the cycle going because the only way they are paying for maintaince of an old subdivision is by using the devleopment taxes and fees from a new subdivision. This is not sustainable and ultimately equates to kicking the can down the road to let a future generation figure it out (which is literally as simple as building cities densely again, as they had been built for 100s of years).

          This hasn’t even touched yet on the urban sprawl, energy ineffeciency, and secondary effects of car dependancy that have all spawned from “the american dream” of suburbia. We seriously need to reconsider how we zone, build, and get around our urban spaces.

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            I agree with a lot of what you said but this is complete bullshit:

            while denser downtowns (guess where the poors have to rent and ultimately fund the property taxes)

            I have never been able to live in a “downtown” because I’m just a construction worker. So GTFO with “these poor inner city areas are funding the suburbs.” I’m in one of the nicer houses I’ve ever managed to live in and it’s primarily a shithole. You’re telling me that the people downtown are subsidizing my white-trash ass? No way.

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                It depends on the city. Smaller non touristy cities. Your cheapest rents are near downtown core with all the old buildings and the only place density has been allowed to be built for the past 60 years. Bigger cities the central downtown is defintely expensive, i guess in those cities im more so refering to anywhere with apartment buildings density, which can give a downtown feel if older buildings are still preserved nearby. Although a lot of the time they’ve been paved over and thats how we get apartments that stand 20 stories high surrounded by a sea of single story strip malls and box stores.

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                  See, it’s the opposite here. In the nearby city (pop 90k), the downtown areas are hellaciously expensive because they’re closest to amenities. The farther you get from grocery stores and bars, the cheaper it gets. It’s so weird to me that there are places where living next to shopping is cheaper than living far from shopping. It doesn’t help that the downtown apartments are being remodeled into luxe apartments and the suburbs and rural areas are where the affordable housing is being built.

                  The suburbs are cheaper, but you have to drive to do the shopping, and the rural areas are cheapest because everything smells like cow when it rains, and you have to drive to do the shopping.

                  Edit: My rural neighborhood is a combination of apartments, trailer homes, and detached housing, and it’s more than a mile from groceries.

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              Yeah, I’m living rural because living in the city is still more than twice as expensive. Some bad faith actors want to reclassify it as ‘suburban’ because it’s doubled in size since covid, but I’m closer to cows than the grocery store, so that falls flat.

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                Some places literally build cookie cutter subdivisions on a chunk of land in the middle of farms they bought so the classification may not be that far fetched depending on the circumstances. My parents house is technically zoned as agricultural yet the recent sprawl of nearby cities means there is now a mcdonalds less than 1km away and suburbs creep closer each year.

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                  And I do think this is part of the rural angst that has taken root. The town started out as a farming town, with a vibrant community centered around agriculture, that is slowly getting replaced with boxes made of ticky-tacky. Combined with income stagnation being worse in outlying areas, there really is a sense of erasure that has no outlet.

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        Depends where you live. Where I live we just get more funded cops to more expensively harass houseless people.

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      I always find this to be such a poor argument.

      Yes unexpected maintenance can sometimes be a huge problem, especially in the first couple of years, but after that you can tap into home equity and repair say a roof. Everything else while expensive is still cheaper than renting. Using the OP’s example 1k vs 500, I can assure you you will never have consistent 500 repairs per month.

      As for the taxes the people in my city nearly went ballistic when the city increased the rate by 5%. At the end of the year it costed me $200. Per month that’s about $16. I’ve never lived in any apartment anywhere where rent didn’t increase by at least $50 per month each year. Even if someone had a home twice as valuable that’s still a very small monthly cost.

      Additional once you get past the first 3ish years rent prices have greatly outpaced your mortgage and you will be saving a lot of money compared to of you were renting.

      I’d like to wrap up with a question. If owning a home was such a sink of resources why do people become landlords?

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        Speaking to the post, I feel like there is a tipping point between OP and your points and the post is showing that. If you can convince the bank to loan you the money somehow you then start to build more capital which can pull you out of being “poor”. There are many variables and wildly varying degrees of this scenario, but once you start your ownership experience, some people can work it quite hard and build enough capital to own multiple residences and rent them out. (Those already in possession of capital are out of scope of OPs post.)

        Rent is paying the landlord for everything every month. No repairs lately? Too bad, you’ll still pay for the possibility. The exchange is that you should never worry about repairs (or taxes) as the landlord handles everything. Once the landlord figures his margins are too tight, they raise the rent. Lots of variables here too and that makes blanket statements about which is better more difficult. I advocate home ownership, but I feel terrible for young people. Runaway greed by those that already had the capital has changed things. The young folks I know that are able to manage it all had help from relatives.

        The act of convincing the bank and owning a home is getting more and more difficult. Impossible in many places and improbable in others without Herculean efforts. OPs post expresses this perspective.

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          I personally grew up quite impoverished and me and my wife did manage to get our home in medium COL area. We don’t have exceptionally high paying jobs nor did we have any help from our families. We just made a lot of effort to build our credit. We’re also not old at all under 30 to not dox myself too much.

          A lot of people simply have some wrong assumptions about the amount needed to get a loan. We put down 3%, sure we didn’t get the most competitive rate and our payment is higher, but it worked out to the cost of our then comparable rent. There’s quite a few federal programs that ensure the opportunity for a low downpayment mortgage for first time homeowners.

          But that was just slightly before interest rates went insane, kinda on the way up

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            In a previous life I was a mortgage loan officer at a broker. I bent over backwards helping folks get into those programs whenever possible. I was impressed with how little was needed when everything slotted in place in some cases. Glad it worked for you too!

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      I tell my soon-to-leave-the-nest kids:

      Rent is the most you will pay every month. The mortgage is the least you will pay every month.

      I’m loving them being here as full grown adults and enjoy my time with them and with our particular house they are seeing that lesson play out in real time. Some big expenses and I am the DIY dude. I don’t fuck with (big) electric or gas though, that shit can really backfire.

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        Rent vs mortgage - gotta put a caveat on that one.

        Renting = landlord gets all the money but has to maintain the property.

        Mortgage - bank gets all the money and you get a partial refund if you sell. You pay for the upkeep. A mortgage is not really an “investment”, you usually lose money on the deal if you live there. It’s cheap rent from the bank.

        It basic math to see which one is better long term. Usually the mortgage wins because of of the partial return. However if you can’t do the upkeep yourself, renting is often a better financial decision.

        There have been times when renting was the smarter financial decision. Like the housing bubble in 2003-2007. You could rent places for 1/2 what it would cost to buy them per month.

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        The other side of that is that my mortgage, even with rising property taxes and my house appreciating wildly in value, tracks less than renting.

        If I could rent a place for the price of my mortgage with the cost rising at the level my mortgage does … I’d rent all day long

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          Yeah, that’s the thing. The market went upside down. Maybe 1993? Before that renting made sense even from a financial perspective in many areas. But now when housing is double or treble inflation? Nope. Sink money into real property at your first opportunity.

          We have fucked up the entire “developed” world so much that if you start poor you stay poor and housing is a large part of that equation.

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            In my lifetime interest rates on mortgages went from high teens to the 3.whatever I have.

            Home values skyrocketed and now the expectation seems to be this must continue.

            Honestly I’m happier to pass my house on to my kid than turn a profit on it.

            Now if HE buys a house and inherits mine … I hope he turns a fat profit on it lmao

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              Right? My parents were ecstatic to get 11% on the home I grew up in. Now my mom’s retirement condo? three dot whatever like you said.

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        That decision is true today, but realistically your rent will grow much faster than your mortgage (plus escrow) payment, and your mortgage payment goes away.

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      Then there’s all the expenses you didn’t know about before you bought the house.

      The cost of owning is significantly less than renting over the life of the unit. Repairs happen, but most of the time they aren’t time critical, so you can budget out the repairs over months.

      Unless the house was old when you bought it, you aren’t going out of pocket on any big purchases inside the first years of ownership.

      …BTW, the county just did a reassessment on your property and your property taxes have now doubled

      Idk where you live, but most states limit the rate at which an acessor can raise your housing price. In Texas, the cap is 10%. So your property taxes can rise, but the won’t double overnight.

      You can also contest the increase. Harris has been fairly receptive to a simple “my neighbor’s house sold for X so my house should be worth about X, not X+20%”

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        The cost of owning vs renting can be very different depending on where you live and work and the amenities you want access to. Renting somewhere centrally located with good access to high quality transit and other amenities would likely be cheaper than owning. Unless we can start normalizing owning apartments again. You could own for cheaper on the outskirts of downtown, but you’ll likely be sacraficing access to some amenities by doing so.

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          Renting somewhere centrally located with good access to high quality transit and other amenities would likely be cheaper than owning.

          I’d need to see an example. I’ve never heard of a place that was cheaper to rent than own after five years. The break point on rentals tend to be short term stays, and mostly because of the cost of real estate transactions themselves.

          For public housing it can be cheaper. But that’s never going to be a centrally located high-rise.

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    I can’t believe someone watermarked their worthless reply to a post that said the same thing more subtly and smartly.

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      Covid was the wake up call I needed to realize that while I understand the nuance many others need the point made for them to understand the point of the scenario. We understand Eleanor. Some understand Callum.

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    And while we’re ranting about this, can we throw PMI and whomever came up with it on the bonfire where they belong?

    Your telling me that I need to pay for you to have insurance in case I default while your also charging me interest who’s very purpose is to offset risk? Why am I paying to offset your risk FUCKING TWICE AND HOW IS THIS FUCKING LEGAL.

    Shit infuriates me. I want all the bankers to get William Wallace on live TV, recorded and played back once a year during a mandatory viewing window so that we never, ever, forget.

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      Interest is not intended to offset risk?

      Interest provides a return on capital.

      If you have $1 youre not using you might let someone else use it if they incentivise you by giving you an interest in their need.

      If you give $1 to 100 different people you might increase the rate for some of them to offset your additional risk, but thats not the purpose of Interest.

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        Part of interest calculation is risk. That’s why higher credit score leads to lower interest, it’s less of a risk to the lender.

        PMI is double dipping. They can pick one, either a flat across the board interest rate for all borrowers or PMI.

        Didn’t mean to imply it was entirely about risk.

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          The financial illiteracy of lemmy users always amazes me.

          PMI is not double dipping.

          It keeps the risk reasonable so that interest rates can remain reasonable.

          With no PMI there’s extra risk that would need to be priced in to interest.

          No one likes PMI, but it’s not evil.

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      The alternative would probably be (much) higher interest rates until you get below 80% LTV at which point you’re “allowed” to refinance…but no bank will ever remind you of this in hopes you forget…or prime will skyrocket and you’ll be stuck in high interest for an unknown amount of time.

      I think you should put away the monkey paw before they get more inspiration.

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    They don’t actually need regular payments for 10-30 years. They need you deposit that down payment cash ASAP so they can lease it to billionaires and crypto exchanges.

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      The deposit is to cover expenses/losses that arise out of defaults. Housing loans have been lile this forever. Not everything is a conspiracy.

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        the deposit is the keep young, inexperienced and glowy-eyes people from making commitments they don’t have the stamina to handle.

        it happens a lot that 20 year olds want to buy a house with their new partner that they think they’re gonna be together with for the rest of their lives, only to have it all fall apart 5 years later. forcing to you save up a bit before actually buying the house means you go through a lot of experiences before you actually buy a house, which makes it more likely that you’ll have the far-sightedness that’s needed to actually buy a house. :)

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          That’s one thing, but there’s definitely a factor of “if there’s a market downturn AND we have to foreclose, we don’t want to lose too much”.

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      Idiocy.

      The bank doesn’t get the down payment. The person selling the house does.

      You pay that person the down payment, and the bank pays them the rest.

      Honestly there’s loads of great reasons to hate banks but lots keep it real and avoid making up nonsense.

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        Banks typically ask for you to have cash in hand (deposited), or equivalent leverage, to qualify for loans in the first place.

        The bank I used actively tried to get me to go with less down payment, and subsequently take out a larger loan.

        But yes it is the height of idiocy to say, ‘down payment deposit’ when ‘qualifying assets’ is a more accurate term for the transactions function.

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          They need you deposit that down payment cash ASAP so they can lease it to billionaires and crypto exchanges.

          No, this is patently false and borne of a misunderstanding. Idiocy.

          When providing a mortgage, how does a bank get money to lease to billionaires and crypto exchanges?

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      I live in the Toronto area and rent here is up to like $2600 for a 2 bedroom. Why haven’t we burned shit down? Why do we take this??

      Im no leader but I’ll gladly build some gallows and die for my kid’s generation. Im also a vegetarian, but I’m willing to roast and take a bite of the billionaire just to show my conviction. I think we should actually literally do it with one to prove a point

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      Yeah, the 3x salary requirements are insane when housing accounts for almost 50% of people’s take home pay in most places.

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    Actually i guess the bigger issue is that we’re gonna be unemployed in 15 years due to a declining demand of human labor and then who pays back what?

    Today you could afford the pay-back rate, but not in the future, and the banks are well aware of that.

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      Right? You don’t need to exist long term. Fuck off and die, meat.

      Edit: by which i of course mean ‘i dont need you to exist’. Which is the same thing, right?

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      There is no declining demand of human labour, and there is no indication that it will ever happen. The way the labour is performed is changing, just like it always does

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      Joke’s on them, I have a 15-year mortgage on my condo. (Lower interest rate than a 30-year mortgage, USA, ymmv)

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    Where y’all finding houses for 500/month with a 25k downpayment?

    Seems cheap af. If you only did a 25k downpayment the mortgage would certainly be more expensive than rent where I’m at.

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      My house was cheap in a shit area (like knuckle draggers shouting at hotels shit) and that cost me £800 a month 20 years ago.

      And that was with a massive deposit. Still, paid that shit off now.

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      I bought a 2 bedroom single family home in South Carolina last year for $86k with only $11k down, 7 minute drive from the city center of the capital city (Columbia). Mortgage is $480/mo. Cheap houses absolutely still exist if you’re willing to live in areas where “nobody wants to live”

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      Well shoot. Why wasn’t this the case from the start? I’ve only ever had troubles with payments a few times in the 10 years I’ve been renting. Good thing none of that counts for anything and the clock is just now starting.

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        There used to be a service called Williams Paid that would act as a middle man to pay your rent, then report it on your credit.

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          Yeah, and I think it’s not about history, it’s about mortgage initial payment, which is some% of target property cost.

          And the idea that it’s bad thing is just stupid. Anyone read about previous housing bubble remembers how people took multiple mortgages because you could let your house for more than you pay for mortgage per month, and as crisis hit, they couldn’t repay. It was very much enabled by zero mortgage initial payments.

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      That’s just for the “paid on time” section of your report. It helps a bit with your score, but it doesn’t change how banks determine your debt to income ratio.

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      Yes, Experian (a company that has had multiple data breaches) is now allowing you to give them more of your personal data for free, and in return they will add your Netflix and Xfinity payments to your credit report.

      And then the banks that consider your loan will still do the same process they did before — i.e. not consider your Netflix and Xfinity payments.

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    To be the devil’s advocate here. Rental payments vs mortgage payments is not an accurate comparison of the true financial burdens.

    With many rentals some if not all utilities are included in the price of rent, whereas homeowners must pay the full cost of utilities. There is also the additional cost of home insurance and property taxes. Most rentals have the majority of their maintaince covered whereas the homeowner is responsible for lawn cutting, gutter cleanings etc. The cost of repairs and maintaince is not negligible. While renting if the heat quits or an appliance breaks, the landlord is supposed to cover the cost but owning means you must take that full cost.

    In the posted example, having double the mortage payment in rent payment is probably adequate to cover the additonal costs but the comparison of renting vs owning is not black and white. Several financial managers have even studied that depending on your needs and income, you can actually be getting ahead financially by renting if you don’t actually need the full benefits of owning and are able to maintain a store of wealth through other investments. This is especially true if you are in a rent controlled unit.

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      It seems like you are assuming an apartment rental and not a home rental. In my experience home rentals work very differently. Utilities are not included and you do end up paying quite a bit to maintain the home.

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    Going to be wild when people just give up on society and just start eating the ruling and ownership class. I tried warning these assholes if they didn’t give something. Then they would doom their existence. And now you have more people radicalizing everyday because they are being put on the streets.

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    Suppose I was the bank…
    Guy1) Hey bank I want to sell my house for $1,000,000.00. Here is the deed, I owe $999,999.00 bank2.

    Bank1) OK I’ll take the house, here is $1.00 and $999,999.00 for bank2. Did you fuck up the house or burn it down to the point I can’t sell it?

    Guy1) yup to the ground I burnt it all.

    Assessor) I’ll charge Bank 1 $300 to go asses the price. Yeah currently this property can be sold for $300,546.00.

    Bank 1) OK Guy1, you owe Bank2 $699,454.00 but here’s your $1.00.

    Guy1) your honor I need to file for chapter 11. I have no money

    Guy2) Bank 1, I would like to buy this property.

    Bank1) Sure that’ll be $1,000,000.00.

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    I hate to break it to you, but mortgage payments are not cheaper then rent anymore. Obviously depends on your mortgage and money down and all that, but if you expect to pay half as much for mortgage payments as you did for rent, you’re going to have a very bad time.

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      Surely, this depends a lot on what market you’re in. If you’re in a very expensive area and need to take a big loan with a high fixed rate, I can see that being the case but renting the equivalent place would probably be extremely expensive too.

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        renting the equivalent place would probably be extremely expensive too.

        Right, like I said, mortgage is not cheaper, certainly not half as cheap. The market I’m in is a metropolis, it contains every range of the market, it just depends how much gun violence you prefer.

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      This isn’t true in my experience at all. Either rent is cheap where you are or you’re looking at expensive houses or not for a 30 year period. The rate currently is around 6-9%. It would only be more expensive if the house is. No other hidden fees

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        Parents and brother went in on a house together so he could live near work. Rents out the main floor for $3750 a month (3 bedroom) and that covers the mortgage so he can afford to pay the utilities and lives in the basement.

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        Well in my very recent experience it is extremely, painfully, unavoidably true. That’s why I said it. We just bought a house, 150k less than we qualified for, and our monthly payment is 33% higher than we were paying in rent. Rent is far from cheap, there’s just no such thing as an inexpensive house unless you want one in a terrible neighborhood or an hour drive outside the city. In the first case, not only is it a bad idea just to live in these neighborhoods, the chances of making money on the resale are next to nil. The burbs option of course offers more for your money, but that comes with more maintenance, yardwork, housework, gas money, transit stress, etc. We worked with very knowledgeable, trustworthy realtor and mortgage brokers and there’s simply no math in the current market that gets mortgage payments lower than the rent we were paying without buying a literal, active crack house.

        And to claim there’s no extra fees involved with buying and owning a home compared to renting is either utter delusion or repugnant gaslighting.

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    Yeeeeah, I was too adult in 2008 to go “you know the real problem? We check too hard for solvency when giving out mortgages”.

    Not that I have a silver bullet for solving a housing crisis. There probably isn’t one. You need a lot more public housing as a percentage of the total pool, that much I can tell. How you fix a job market where nobody holds the same position for more than a handful of years is beyond me. You probably need to make it much more expensive to own a house without living in it or renting it out. You definitely want to make it much more expensive for corporations to own housing.

    Guessing that’s harder to fit in a pithy, viral tweet, though.

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      The biggest thing we can do for the housing crisis is making density legal again and allocating more space in cities to housing instead of parking cars.

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        Yeah, that’d work a lot better for me if I was American and not painfully aware of similar issues happening in cities where cars fold like umbrellas and are almost entirely parked underground.

        I mean, don’t get me wrong, you guys have a whole continent you can use for this, so maybe you can brute force it. Definitely not “the biggest thing” where I’m from, though.

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      I’m glad someone mentioned the 2008 financial crisis. Banks need to be fairly confident the person they are giving the mortgage to can afford the payment now and for the next thirty years. There are plenty of unfair reasons why someone may not be able to buy a home today, but not being able to afford a down payment is not one of them.