I miss the days when $500 could build a “console killer”
These days its like 1500. But you still get all the advantages like being able to do whatever you want with it like using productive software to actually do work. Streaming, editing, rendering, 3D modeling or printing, game dev, etc
You will also most likely still make that difference back over the cycle of one console generation through better game deals and no subscription fees for online play.
Also: INDIE GAMES 🎉✨
Because getting your game published in Sonys or Microsofts store is horrible afaik.
For Xbox its a little bit easier since they launched ID@xbox and pushed it the last few years. Not perfect, but way better than Sony
It is nowhere near 1500.
More like 800.
For a nice PC that will last you a while 1100 (for like a 9600 + 9060XT)
I would say a console killer has to outperform a current gen console. A Xbox Series X has a GPU equivalent to something between a 9060XT and a 9070XT. So yeah in total 1100€ is probably gonna get you something comparable.
Every guide I’ve seen says even a 9060XT 16gb is very overkill compared to consoles.
That was a brief period when consoles were way over priced for the components they had.
That period repeats every 3-5 years approximatly towards the end of a generation but before the new generation is announced.
We’re at that point now. Hard to believe, but the PS5 has been out for five years now.
The reason it’s not happening this time is because Moore’s Law is dead. The original formulation was that cost of integrated components would be cut in half every x months. The value of x changed around over the years, but settled on 24. That cost factor is gone and probably won’t come back without a major breakthrough.
There are improvements in the size of integrated components (which often gets mistakenly labeled as Moore’s Law), but they aren’t getting cheaper anymore.
Ps5 sets my record for most dead joysticks, followed by the Nintendo Switch joycon disaster.
PS4 I had a few controllers die, but that was parts physically breaking.
PS3 I never lost a controller.
I have to go back to N64 for any other broken controllers where the sticks die or buttons break.
Let’s compare a 6 year price without games.
PC gaming
800 gaming PC 200 mid cycle update to GPU 3-5 years in
PS5
500 non-gaming PC because your ps5 isn’t a useful alternative 500 ps5 650 ps5 pro 4 years in 720 for PlayStation online basic at 10 per month
1000 vs 2370
Laughing at console gamers spending more than the cost of a basic computer on the privilege of using it online via your own internet which you also pay for
PS5
500 non-gaming PC
Come on, dude. Firstly, you can get a non-gaming PC for under $200 easy. Hell, if you know where to look, you can get it for free.
500 ps5 650 ps5 pro 4 years in
Why not just… not upgrade the PS5? Save yourself $650. If you want to “balance” things, the PC guy can save $200 on their own upgrade.
Wait for the PS6, which will be out in '27/'28 and just enjoy the OG console that was released in '20 for the life of the platform.
Like, this is obviously not an apple to apple comparison. And that’s spotting you a generous $800 PC build out of the gate. You’re simply not building a PS5 quality rig in 2020 for $800.
720 for PlayStation online basic at 10 per month
Do I get to charge the PC owner the release price of every PSO title released for free? Because that’s going to come out far higher than $720 over six years.
Are you playing any MMOs on that PC? Should we be charging you the base rate for those as well?
I’m not even a PS5 guy. I tapped out at 4 and game on my PC happily. But I’m not going to pretend console gamers are doing 3x my spend just because it’s possible to do so.
Only a tiny minority of PC gamers pay monthly for anything.
You can’t upgrade the PS5, and the sale price of your 5-year-old unit is like $100.
Free games aren’t included in the 10 per month.
The cost of 18 per month to also have old games costs 1300 over 6 years.
The PC you can get for $200 will be awful to use or die within 3 years or both. It will be ridiculous to repair, so you will buy another 200 special hating the shit you bought both times.
Basically at the root a PC and a console are both good for about 6 years but the 700-1300 you pay for online is going to dwarf the buy up from acceptable PC to gaming PC+ hardware.
Cheap PC are the value option expensive pc are the quality option.
Consoles are kind of in between.
Only a tiny minority of PC gamers pay monthly for anything.
That’s simply not true.
I didn’t say they didn’t watch netflix or have internet.
PC gamers don’t pay a monthly fee connected to their gaming.
So PC GamePass isn’t a thing? If Valve offered a solid subscription offering, gamers would be all over it.
I think the point is that you don’t have to pay ANYTHING per month to play apps or games you already fully paid for online whereas not paying for playstation online means you lose that entire aspect of your own device whereas with a ps5 if you stop paying sony you can no longer even use netflix despite paying netflix your isp and sony for their hardware. They use the fact that they control your device to effectively blackmail you by making third party apps contingent on paying their blackmail.
That’s not true. You can use Netflix without PSPlus. You can even play Fortnite (and a few others, mostly the online only games) without it.
Are we talking about a new 200$ pc?
Because if you buy used you can get a very decent non gaming pc for that money.
Maybe I got lucky, my current desktop was 350€ used with a pretty modern and fast CPU (5800x) and a somewhat outdated GPU (vega56).
350€ = 405 USD once you add in a mouse keyboard and monitor you are over 500 the figure I used. Decrease your figures further and it gets shittier fast.
You could always attach the pc to the TV, and if you don’t have one you’d need one for the console anyways.
And my screens were like 17,50 each also used obvs. Fair point about the peripheries though…
And my pc would be overkill if you buy a console for gaming.
Using a TV for general computing would be fairly broken due to font rendering and DPI. Comparing used anything is fraught because its filled with caveats and isn’t repeatable.
Fair points, my situation doesn’t apply to everyone.
I occasionally use my htpc for light office work, the terrible ergonomics are the only problem In that case.
Reading this gave me a headache
Would you like a meme with 8 or less characters and a 2nd grade reading level to calm you down?
What are you updating the GPU to for $200? A 1060?
Most recently I got a nice radeon 6600 with 8GB VRAM for 100 I guess.
500 non-gaming PC because your ps5 isn’t a useful alternative
That’s kind of a non-argument. I know a lot of people with desktop gaming PCs who also have a laptop (for school, uni, whatever). The people I know who only play games on console usually don’t have a desktop, they only have a laptop that’s not suitable for gaming. I also know a lot of people who play games on console and PC and therefore have both, plus usually a laptop. And then I also know a lot of people who don’t have ps+/xbox-whatever because they don’t play online games.
I don’t think its a non-argument. If we are talking about PC gaming as a budget option the fact that you CAN have JUST a singular device isn’t obviated by the fact that some people have a separate general purpose PC any more than it is because some people still a $5000 GPU on a $15000 device.
The consoles are “cheap” because the controllers, games, and subscription services are expensive.
It’s far, far, far cheaper to game on a PC in the long run. You can buy a pc capable of playing many games for as little as $300 (gmtek or similar micro pc sporting high performance amd cpu). If you want better graphics, you plug a gpu into that for $260 or so (Radeon 9060).
Steam is crazy cheap. Multiple sales a year, and if you don’t like a game you can get a full refund. Free AAA games every week as well from GOG, Epic, and rarely but surely, also Steam.
My Xbox and PlayStation both came with a full normal controller, and console games are constantly on sale. I have absolutely no idea what you’re trying to get at here.
The point of the submission is that PC dumbfucks don’t know how to compare apples to apples. Console gaming is objectively superior due to the benefits of things like warranty, consistency, drivers, software, etc.
Software and driver issues like clicking update? Waiting for a reboot?
The same one year warranty that your PC has?
Ah yes, all the benefits of having the privilege to pay $10 a month to play online, only have enough storage space for like 5 games with no expansion options, barred access to the vast majority of games, and limited options for voice chat and input devices.
But I guess if you’re like 12 and all you play is 2k/madden/fifa/maybe COD and your parents are paying for it then it’s probably fine.
And yet none of those things applies to your superior. Interesting!
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Correct. I’m just not an infant so I type normally.
Ok
A controller is like 20 bucks. My PC can play the vast majority of games ever made out of the box, and for free if I’m willing to commit some crimes.
What console sells for 400 bucks?
Steam deck lol
its a pc tho 😭
Tim Cook: “I KNEW IT”
PS5 (discless edition) did until the USD took an almighty shit.
Spending one fifth of that will perform better than a $750 console (PS5 Pro)
I understand this is a joke, but 15k? Wtf. I think you meant server, not PC
The number gets higher and higher every time a console dweeb makes the argument that they’re not constantly fucking themselves.
Flagship Nvidia is around $10k. Easy to spend at least another $5k on the rest of the computer+setup (monitors, peripherasls…).
That isn’t something normal people buy you can spend any amount on anything but its really fringe rich people shit.
That’s not a gaming GPU, that’s workstation GPU. Meme says “gamers”. I genuinely don’t think you can spend 15k even if you went for limited edition.
An ROG 5090 Dhahab Edition is half of the $15k. Add a boutique case, custom cooling loop, overkill RAM and storage, and you just might hit $15k. Definitely a stretch though.
I mean ya… That’s pretty much how I feel.
Why do people keep reposting this shit?
Which console costs 400$?
Which reasonably price optimized PC costs 15k$?
Yes PCs are more expensive than consoles, but they also hold more value, are more versatile and have lower costs for the Games themselves.
To each their own, we’re alle gamers.
Fine, im in Canada and a ps5 costs $500 and a decent current gen gaming pc costs about $3000 where I am. And no I am no interested in building a pc anymore than I am building a ps5. So off the shelf you’re looking at a 1.5-2k pc just to match the ps5. So not 15k but easily triple the cost of a ps5.
What I like about consoles is that I know the game will always work on my console. I could buy a top end pc and it won’t play next years top games that well
Idk about the prices in canada but 3000 CAD shouldn’t give you a “decent current gen gaming pc”. This is already high end territory where you’re already burning money unnecessarly just to have the latest an greatest. For 2500 CAD you can get a prebuild 9070 XT + 7800X3D system (here). This system destroys the PS5 performance wise. I can get 240-300 FPS in the Finals while the PS5 can get a max of 120 FPS in performance mode with hits to the visual fidelity.
And yes a PS5 is 579 CAD as far as I can see, so a lot cheaper.
However as I stated a PC can run way more different games even without taking emulation into account. Furthermore on PS5 you have to pay 110 CAD/year to play online and PC games generally are cheaper than console games. So there is a significant amount of money you’ll save on the software.
Additionally you kinda are forced to buy a new console when the new generation arrives while I can use my PC for the newest games as long as I want to or the hardware just can’t handle it anymore.
And lastly a PC can also be used for non gaming stuff. You can even get use of the performance for 3D modeling, Video editing, running LLMs or whatever.
So as I stated before both have their use cases, a PC is definetly more expensive up front buy it also just offers more value. At the end it doesn’t matter and everyone can play games on the hardware they want to.
I can use keyboard and trackball on PC.
Consoles to the last are configured for right-hand dominance, and not all games support keybinding. In fact, a lot of them don’t support point-and-click either.
Also I have productivity applications on PC.
When it comes to accessibility, PC dominates.
I was into the PCMR sub back when you could build a machine that ran better than the current console generation for the same price as the two main consoles. And it’s not like consoles perform so above and beyond a PC that there’s little difference today; the PC hardware just exploded in price so it costs so much more to make something that runs as good or better than a PS5, which is sold at a loss.
It’s possible to build a competent gaming manchine if you’re ok with 1080p. A ten year old card still runs 1080p perfectly fine.
I have a Ryzen 5500 on a radeon 550. It plays mostly everything at 720 to 1080. It’ll do lite 4k but it does what it needs to do.
I bought a Acer nitro with a 3050 in it for my teenager. 🤷 It’s perfectly fine. She plays mostly counter strike anyway.
I play a bunch of indie stuff and remasters… Unless you want 60fps in cyberpunk in 4k ultra ray tracing… You can get into a pretty decent build for well under 1k.
My VR rig built just before the first COVID lockdowns is already capable of keeping up with the PS5 in performance mode; but it was also about $900 mostly from the GPU (a 1660 Super because the 2070 Cyberpunk Edition card was sold out).
I don’t need 4K, but I definitely would like to be able to have raytracing in Cyberpunk, specifically. It’s the only game I’ve seen them used beyond shadows and it looks amazeballs. My GPU is one generation too old to even support RTX, tho. Or DLSS!
Yeah but you have to spend so much money on games and with PC you can almost play anything for free and games add up fast
Yep so many amazing games for $5-20 on steam sales often not even that old
That’s only part of the story. Consoles have many benefits, like warranty, consistency, drivers, software, etc. I built some reasonable budget gaming machines back then, but I still bought consoles and still do to this day because of their superiority.
The whole idea of “superiority” is so dumb. People should get what works for them.
For most normies/noobs, they don’t even know how to start thinking of gaming PCs. No ideas of GPUs. Don’t want to make the wrong choice and overpay for an ancient system labeled “gaming ready”. Consoles work great in not having to think about anything and just playing. Also you get exclusives. It comes at the cost of higher price, online subscriptions, system lock in, few options for mid cycle upgrade, etc.
PC works great for me and I haven’t had a console in 20 years. I’d recommend it to anyone who is even slightly inclined to learn the basics. The Steam Deck would be a great console experience for anyone…but the sales number compared to the Switch and lack of mainstream recognition shows that a lot of people don’t have an appetite for PC gaming. Fine, use what works for you.
Another problem is that online PC communities have a real obsession with going “top tier”. Most people can do perfectly well with last generation parts and secondhand or refurbished bargains. Budget gaming, retro gaming, patient gaming, are all valid and cheap.
Subscription to access multiplayer on third party servers 🤡
I agree you are a clown but I’m not familiar with that because as a decent person, I don’t play multiplayer.
Over 7 years, you’d have to pay $560 to play online on a PS5, assuming they don’t increase the price again. The cheapest PS5, without the disc drive (which is a bad decision if you like cheap games), costs $500.
You can easily build a PC more powerful than a PS5 for $1060, and that’s before you factor in cheaper games.
Over those 7 years, you get 252 free games for the PS5. Meaning the average value of those games has to be like 2.2 for the subscription to pay for itself
They’re not free, you had to pay to access them. The 252 are useless unless you play them and not just a half-dozen titles you like.
And once the sub stops you lose access to the games.
You know what you do get to keep? The games Epic gets giving out to bribe people into using their launcher. I’ve hoarded over 200 games from them, of which I’ve played maybe 30.
I’ve stopped because either it’s been trash games or it’s something that I’d rather play on steam.
Even their exclusives I decided to just wait on because the epic launcher blows.
I don’t think I’m in the majority but I think a non-negligible amount of people would pay a premium to not use epic.
Me with my 5090 I have only played 4.5 games on because I hate dark patterns
Wait the section on “Psychological Dark Patterns” sounds kind of over inclusive. Leveling up and progressing are thing that give a sense of accomplishment. Granted, things like cs2 skins are a form of manipulation. But you can’t tell me that making a build on a game like DND or building a world you like on Minecraft are “dark patterns”
Leveling up and progressing are thing that give a sense of accomplishment.
Indeed. They are built to trigger your reward system rather than having you feel that naturally from the gameplay.
I absolutely think those are included and utterly hate grinding.
But you can’t tell me that making a build on a game like DND or building a world you like on Minecraft are “dark patterns”
Where are you getting that from there?
Clarification. I’m way to asleep and meant wow, not DND. Forget I said anything. I still think I’m right. But I’m not in the correct state to even formulate coherent sentences
$400 plus a subscription for the privilege of playing online + some amount of money for a computer anyway
I gave up on PC gaming years ago. Turns out sitting on a coach and being 10’ ft away from a screen is way easier on my body and my eyes than being hunched over a desk 1’ away from a monitor.
Also no driver incompatibility bullshit. Most console games just work w/o me having to custom edit .ini or other files.
Also no driver incompatibility bullshit. Most console games just work w/o me having to custom edit .ini or other files
What century do you think this is?
Dam is this a copy pasta? 😅
Have you used a PC since 1993? There have been new developments.
You must have given up not years, but decades ago.
Divide PC by 10 and add 300 dollars to console.
I will say, way back in college I had a friend get two $600 graphics cards so he could play Morrowind: Oblivion at max settings. And I was just kinda dumbfounded, cause the upscaling simply wasn’t that good.
Did Oblivion even offer proper support for SLI/Crossfire?
I’m going to say it did, based on the fuzziest of memories from twenty years ago
