Yarhaarrharrr ye facist curr
A couple of nights ago I was in the car with my 8 year old daughter and Killing In The Name Of by Rage Against the Machine came on… my instinct was to skip to the next song, but then I thought “No, this is a song she needs to hear” because if she has questions she knows that she can ask.
A couple of songs later, it was Closer by NIN… I immediately skipped to the next song.
Hahaha, now next time you tell her to clean her room or something, she’ll say “fuck you, I won’t do what you tell me!”
Seriously, though, I think you made the right choice. Good on you, and it sounds like you’ve got good music tastes!
“fuck you I won’t do what you told me”
Man… Always gets the blood boiling! Such a good song!
My kid doesn’t speak English, he is 5 (and Dutch), one day in the car I was playing “Pennywise - Fuck authority”. He said that the man said fuck. Even if you’re 5 and don’t speak English you understand that the word fuck is a swearword.
Oh no! Stinkfist came on!
The ol’ Stinkfist got some new exposure via Alien Earth’s credits. A wiley crew, that Noah Hawley & team.
Dad, is it true that "Those who work forces are the same who burn crosses?
And why would he “just kill a man?”
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Nice sentiment, but where shitpost?
Thank you <3
I havent had an excuse to post this yet
You came for the circle jerks but til this stable is full you only get horseshoe handies.
None of these are shitposts. These are all memes.
This community needs a hero…
… honestly, I don’t think anyone has ever explicitly said to me (especially growing up) to not use slurs - you just don’t use them bcs they obviously harm people, basic empathy & stuff (if the greed of just living in a better society isn’t enough).
… but there sure have been a fucktone of folk telling me not to use some arbitrary “bad words” they deemed vulgar. No logical reason given, just random societal oppression.
I had an aunt Julia growing up and my parents sat me down when I was four or five and they heard me calling her aunt Ju to explain that “Jew” wasn’t inherently a slur, but it could be offensive to people if I just shouted it randomly after my aunt. Based on that, I suspect they would have talked to me about slurs if it had come up, but I never used them.
I did once talk to my grandmother at around age eleven about seeing a huge Afro and she asked if I meant the person or the hairstyle. I complained to my mom about her being racist and she set me straight. Both of my my grandparents taught at colleges in the greater Boston area around the time they were integrated and my grandmother insisted on renting a room in their house out to black students who couldn’t get housing otherwise (for only the cost of meals) throughout my mom’s whole childhood and ended friendships with people who had a problem with it. She was just from another time and didn’t consider “Afro” to be an offensive term, probably because she was involved in civil rights through the seventies, when that was used by lots of black groups as a term of empowerment
Thx for sharing, that was a lovely story/slice of life.
They’re the no-no word because someone used them to hurt someone else.
I don’t know what “removed” means, I assume it’s black in spanish or something, it doesn’t make sense on it’s own.
It’s just a word that people used to hurt other people, so we can’t use them.
Literally, “we can’t have nice things” applied to word, although, whatever that word means, I guess we have other words that mean black so, ok, whatever, we still have plenty of other 6 letter words so “meh”.Would be nice if people stopped being such shitheads and using group dominance to subjugate other groups.
I think instead of attacking words, we should attack the mechanic behind them ? If the slur comes out it’s already too late, the dominance play has already infected them.
It has to be defused before they even say it. Find why people are being so shit, it’s not just a reaction, it’s not the word itself making them do it.
There a reason why they become nasty slur-spewing goblins.
Sure, and it’s not like there arent any efforts towards that.
But since hate words do exist we don’t use them in order to not empower further the mechanics/shitheads that do use/promote them.
Why isn’t this solved already ?
Why does it persist ?
Do the people who proclaim to be doing something about it gain something for it persisting so it never get actually solved ?
I mean, even as I figure out what they’re for and how they’re being used, surely this has been going on for centuries if not millennia.
So why is that shit still even around ?
You’d think we’d have it figured out by now, dealt with and ready when the next duckface tries that crap.
But I guess not…
Do de have a im14andthisisdeep equivalent community on Lemmy?
You best start believing in lemmy shit posts, you’re in one.
Praise be!
I will insult people for how they dress, specifically people who were clothes with Confederate flag shirts. I once saw someone with a confederate flag shirt that said “Try burning this one” my grandmother saw me staring and told me no. Yes I was working out the logistics of how to set someone on fire, I took the shirt as a challenge.
shouldnt u be looking for the water chip? the vault really needs it
Oh no! The evil people have all the commercially available flame throwers!
Flame thrower? Don’t need that just a bottle of lighter fluid, a Bic, and a can of hairspray will do the trick. We call it the hick bee annihilator, my uncle nearly burnt down the garage when I was 2.
Many golden age pirates were actually kind of like that
Big multiethnic crews. Lots of gayness, transgressive gender identities, liberatory politics. It was extremely punk, but with very very slightly better music and substantially worse booze.
Any fun historical sources you can recommend?
Graeber really gets unto the mess of it all in ‘pirate enlightenment: the real libertalia’
If you want something much less complicated and academic, i think the podcast ‘cool people who did cool stuff’ has a few episodes on it.
Thanks for the answer! And I love Margaret, good podcast :3
Theres some more crunchy stuff i remember but i can’t think of where i read it, sorry. The academic stuff all kind of blurs. Except for a few who could serioudly wrote like Graeber and Foucault.
My grandparents on my dad’s side used to make jokes that were funny when I was a kid, more concerning when I got older, and especially concerning as their dementia set in and they began outright stating people’s races in the jokes. In the years since their passing, it’s made me wonder what their beliefs on racism were, even though they raised me to never judge anyone by their race and that race will usually be a factor in how people are treated in the real world but should never be a factor in my personal interactions with anyone.
But those jokes had been weighing kinda heavy on me in recent years. I know they had dementia, but was this possibly at the core of their beliefs?
I recently heard a story, unprompted, from a family member who was present when my dad was in high school or college, in the '70s, and made an off-color joke . Apparently my dad said that a car with a poorly done paint job “looked like a Mexican car.” Without missing a beat, my grandmother punched my dad in the jaw with a right hook and yelled, “WE DO NOT MAKE DEROGATORY JOKES ABOUT PEOPLE FOR THEIR RACE!” My grandmother was always known for how passive, playful, and gentle she was, especially with her kids.
Turns out grandma was not only adamant about race sensitivity, she was kinda a badass. And the jokes I thought were possibly racist were truly homophone humor about regional dialects and not about people’s nationality.
You know, let us be honest for five minutes.
Psychology has shown that we have biases against anyone who doesn’t look like us. It’s just survival 101 from not so ancient times.
So maybe your parents had theses biases, unconsciently. Maybe even, they have been raised in a society which was racist, by definition. If they have lived anytime before the eighties, things were really rough (not that it’s not right now, but it was something else…)
Now, let’s just say that at their core, they were racist. So what ? Is it really important ? They have shown you how to behave, what is right and what is not. They have worked to better themselves, so that is the only thing that should matter.
Because, in the grand scheme of things, your parents would have told you from age two : do not shit in your pants, and they would have done the same. With dementia, maybe at some point they even forgot that one rule so… Being racist is excusable, because -and I’m sorry- they were not themselves in their final hours.
I appreciate and understand your perspective, but I want to clarify some context:
This was my dad’s mom, so my grandparents. Had they been my parents and I’d known them at the age at which they raised me, then I’d immediately know how they raised their kids. But since this was my grandmother who raised my dad, it left me wondering what kind of parents my dad had. Was my dad a non-judgmental person in spite of his parents?
And the answer was, “no.” He learned to cast aside prejudices from my grandmother’s sick right-cross. It was mostly that kind of revelation that I needed to feel my catharsis.
(Added context: my dad is dead and I never heard that story from him. He died before my grandmother did, so I never got the opportunity to ask him about what her views on race were when he was a child.)
some people objectively are illegal immigrants. apparantly facts are racist now
I cant believe i have to explain this but…
There’s lots of ways you can refer to people. Some are respectful, some are not.
This might shock you but some parents teach their kids to be respectful of others. Avoiding labelling people in ways they might not appreciate is a good start.
It may be a “fact” that someone is an “illegal immigrant” but I’m sure you can see that term is intended to portray the person in a specific way.
Its also a fact that such a person is an undocumented migrant trying to feed their family, or maybe even an asylum seekers fleeing persecution.
So yes, representing facts in a racist way is racist. Well done.
I will preface this by saying I do not agree with how this administration is enforcing immigration law, and triple disagree with how they are removing legal status from people to get easy deportations. It is being done both stupidly and cruelly. ICE should be uniformed and identifiable, and all law enforcement should be held to the highest standards.
That said, an asylum seeker is just that, an asylum seeker and not an illegal immigrant. Lumping them in with illegal immigrants to help whitewash illegal immigration is, in my opinion, as much a contributor to the problem as those claiming asylum seekers are lying. Both sides of this argument keep shoving the asylum seekers into the illegal immigrant bucket to serve their narratives and it pisses me off.
Obviously every person who illegally immigrates is doing so trying to feed themselves and/or their family better than they can in their own country, basically no one wakes up and decides to throw away their entire lives and legal status to go to another country. That does not mean laws don’t apply to them. No one on earth has a right to go to another country except through the established legal means of that country, which is why statelessness is such a terrible crime against the people who are rendered such.
Lumping in illegal immigration with things like race and slurs and calling it racist waters down racist. Basic human dignity and respect for things that are intrinsic qualities like race, gender, sexuality, etc is not the same thing as someone’s legal status. This doesn’t stop the racists, doesn’t help anyone, and weakens actual narrative.
How tf is it racist to say someone is an illegal immigrant if they’re an immigrant who came in illegally? At the face of it those words can be used totally neutrally
I mean, the words themselves are not an insult, it’s the context they are used in that make them an insult. If you don’t insult people then you don’t have to worry about what words are insults and what aren’t.
I don’t really understand what you’re getting at.
Obviously there are words which are in themselves an insult. There are also words which are not, and there’s a spectrum of different words in between which are more insulting or less insulting or insulting in specific circumstances.
Undocumented migrant is clearly a more dignified way to describe someone than describing them as an “illegal” immigrant.
There are some, but “illegal immigrant” isn’t. Calling someone a fucking idiot is an indult. Calling someone an illegal immigrant to their face can be an insult, but the words themselves are fine, it’s crazy how people are insulted by what is effectively a description. Not like idiot or moron which is obviously “tagging” someone with something they aren’t. Or calling someone an illegal immigtant when they aren’t just because you don’t like them. Undocumented migrant is fine for now, next thing you know even that’s not dignified enough. The same way retard became handicapped and suddenly out of nowhere handicap is not dignified enough, so it became disabled.
Calling someone an illegal immigrant to their face can be an insult
So why would it be ok to refer to a person that way just because they’re not around?
This meme is a commentary on how to teach kids to treat others in a dignified and respectful way.
The same way retard became handicapped and suddenly out of nowhere handicap is not dignified enough, so it became disabled.
That’s true. The progression of language in this way is well documented. It doesn’t diminish someone’s entitlement to feel offended at being referred to as a retard. It’s just how dignity, respect, and language works.
When referring to other people, it’s a common courtesy to consider how they might like to be addressed, and to use that term. It doesn’t matter how you feel about the phrasing or what you would have called them a few decades ago.
I agree with calling people what they want to be called, but most people don’t spend their days on lemmy and aren’t up to date with what people like being called. People should get used to be called the wrong thing, or wrong pronouns. If you specifically tell me you want to be want to be called a certain thing, I have no issues with that, but until you tell me that, you shouldn’t be offended that I call you what is effectively a description.
I personally have never heard anyone IRL say the words undocumented migrant, or even outside lemmy tbh, while illegal immigrant is obviously common. So by default, if I need to refer to these people, this is the term I’d have used, not intended as an insult.
Just because you don’t intend to insult someone doesn’t mean you’re not ignorant.
It doesn’t take really any empathy at all to recognise that someone might prefer to be called an undocumented immigrant rather than an illegal one.
I think people really are used to being called the wrong thing, or the wrong pronouns. In reality, if you accidentally misgender someone they often won’t bother to correct you if you’re merely a passing acquaintance, but if you’re more than that they might politely correct you in a non-confrontational way.
People being upset about someone making a genuine mistake and calling them the wrong thing is not the norm, and if someone did that it would be pretty weird.
The term “illegal immigrant” may be a description, but I’m sure you can recognise that it’s not a very dignified one. You probably don’t refer to people you like as “that fat guy” or “that woman with the huge ass”, despite those phrases being descriptive.
I’m sure you can see that term is intended to portray the person in a specific way.
No, it’s just a normal term, intended to convey that the person is an immigrant, and that they didn’t follow the legal process. Those are just the basic facts about that person’s situation with respect to the law. The legality of their immigration status is often the focus of the discussion. For example, it’s easy to take advantage of illegal immigrants because they might be afraid to go to the police due to their immigration status.
The term has been in use for almost 150 years. Sometimes clinical labels become pejorative over time. But, it doesn’t seem like that’s the case here. A right-winger is much more likely to say “illegals” or “illegal aliens”, if not just using some slur like “wetback”.
Alternative terms that have been proposed are much less precise. For example, “undocumented migrant” is horrible. Not only is “migrant” less specific than “immigrant”, because immigration is a subset of migration, “undocumented” is much less accurate than “illegal”. Most people in a country illegally have documentation, they have passports, birth certificates, sometimes even local driver’s licenses. The issue isn’t that they lack documentation. The issue is that they aren’t following the laws related to migration. Others like “undocumented noncitizen” or “undocumented American” are even worse. What does “American” even mean in that context? Is a fiercely loyal British person who is legally in the US on a work visa a “documented American”?
Describing a person as an “illegal” immigrant is dehumanizing, given that only acts can be legal or illegal, not people.
“Undocumented” immigrant is the generally accepted term.
It doesn’t really matter which you feel is the more accurate or better term. For all intents and purposes they have the same meaning, and one is clearly more dignified than the other.
Describing a person as an “illegal” immigrant is dehumanizing
How so?
given that only acts can be legal or illegal, not people
Yes, that’s why it’s “illegal immigrant” not “illegal person”.
“Undocumented” immigrant is the generally accepted term.
Among some people, among others it’s “illegal immigrant”. Undocumented is wrong, the people have documentation, they just don’t have the legal right to reside where they do.
one is clearly more dignified than the other.
No, they’re both equally dignified, you’ve just been snarfing down propaganda.
I feel like the days of pearl clutching over profanity are on their way out. There is always a time and a place for it, but I grew up hearing “fuck” come out of my drunken relatives every other word. My parents didn’t say it, and they didn’t let me say it, but the only real weight the word ever had was that it was cool and exclusive to adults.
One of the biggest culture shocks I had when moving from the US to Canada was how much more laid back everyone is up here over profanity in general. Almost everyone uses it, very few people (save for maybe the elderly) get uppity when they hear it, and I’ve heard it used freely on FM radio many times. I still think it’s trashy to fly a FUCK TRUDEAU flag or decal on your car for everyone to see, but nobodies up here clutching pearls. They just think you’re a dick.
Not sure why it’s still such a big deal in many parts of the US.
What’s interesting is, traditionally in language, once forbidden words got ran out, there were still other bad words left to enter the lexicon. “Damn” used to be a genuine curse. My grandfather survived WWII and proudly told be people of all the bombs he dropped, he never dropped the F-bomb.
What’s next? There’s no new forbidden words. Nothing left in the back of the store. Our ability to run through words outpaced our ability to make bad ones.
I’ve been using twit
What’s next?
“Moist”.
My grandfather survived WWII and proudly told be people of all the bombs he dropped, he never dropped the F-bomb.
I killed a lot of people, many probably innocent, but I’m a good person cause I never swore!
Not quite. It’s that he was flying a plane and being shot at 6 days a week, and yet still didn’t need to jump up to a new bad word. Whatever he already knew is the language he used.
Words become more acceptable over time. In centuries past calling someone a devil or saying that they should go to hell would have been deeply offensive. Today these insults are so mild that even schoolchildren say them to each other. Even twenty years ago the word “fuck” was viewed with nearly as much taboo as racial slurs. Now, it’s a very common word that people will throw around in a casual context.
Even the word n****r (means “black person”) and its non-hard-R variant are starting to lose their offensiveness. In African-American Vernacular it has taken on a variety of inoffensive meanings. It is now only offensive in certain contexts while fifty years ago it was pretty much offensive in all contents.
At the same time, new words emerge and get labelled profane. For example, the word t****y (means “transgender”) would not have meant anything twenty years ago, and now it’s one of the most offensive words in the English dictionary. Similar story with the word f****t (means “homosexual”).
what the fuck is t****y
It’s a word also used to refer to a car transmission.
The word is
spoiler (mama said i cant say bad words)
tranny
It’s a good job car mechanics and electricians use filthy language anyway, or they’d be in trouble.
Look me in the eyes and tell me you don’t judge people who wear red hats.
This is basically the opening scene of Ted (2024)
Who is this creepy creature in the distance?
Logzilla
not a shitpost
IDK, it’s pretty shit.
My daughter said “oh shit” as her first curse word. Seems appropriate for the times
Well, they might get made fun of for how they dress; gender expression, or furry costumes, or whatever is all well and good, but you have to draw the line somewhere, like socks and sandals
