How is kindness a bad thing? I thought that was universally agreed to be a good message to have in a piece of media. I guess the excuse is they don’t want media to have messages at all but like, how would you even have a movie where the hero has no values that they stand for?
Superman fighting the klan didn’t work because adults laughed at their hand signs and shit that were disclosed…
It’s because it got a generation of kids to see the klan as the bad guys
If Superman hated you, how the fuck were you going to indoctrinate your kid into the klan?
That’s why they’re always bitching about media. The people doing it are ignorant, but the ones telling them what to be mad about it are picking logical targets to fufil longterm goals.
It’s why fighting fascism is like losing weight, you can’t reach a goal and stop giving a fuck, it’s a lifestyle.
It’s why fighting fascism is like losing weight, you can’t reach a goal and stop giving a fuck, it’s a lifestyle.
Can confirm. 330lbs I said “I’ll reach 320.”
At 320 I said I’ll reach 310.
At 310 I said 300.
At 300 I said 290.
Then 280.
Then 270.
Then 260.
Then 250.
Then 240.
I went back up to 250. Oh no no no no no. Fuck that shit. I’m going to see 240. And when I do, it’ll set my sights on 230.
And when I see 230, I will hug someone. Because that will be 100lb.
Which means I’ll look to 220.
And then 210.
And 200.
I don’t know where my weight loss journey ends. I don’t know when I’ll feel at a healthy weight.
I just know I hope my journey brings me to a day when I get to punch a nazi.
Because nazi lives DON’T matter!
You’re gonna do it brudduh, don’t stop bettering yourself :)
Well. Your journey took real strength. Ain’t that something? Keep fighting the good fight.
The last thing you said is why I got one of my bans on Reddit. Fuck Reddit.
The horrible thing about it all is that saying you should always punch Nazis was an uncontroversial statement even as recently as three years ago.
The only reason it’s now considered a terroristic threat is because powerful figures have started openly identifying with fascism.
We need to be saying it more, not less.
Just don’t think of it as a diet or oppressive. Make it a lifestyle. I’m still around 220 after 11 years of mostly stuck in bed. 16 years ago I was 350. A part of me wishes I was still 190 at 7%, but it is super hard for me to get that low. I just don’t have that kind of pain tolerance to deal with being light headed and hungry 24/7 while counting calories, eating constantly, but never meals or more than a few bites of dry salad or chicken. Without racing and riding like 400+ miles a week, I’m just not that kind of motivated. I’d much rather be lazy and eat meals with way too many calories at once but still far fewer than most people. I have no desire to binge or eat processed food of any kind any more. Avoiding dairy has also been super helpful too because that is a good excuse to avoid most junk people make, fast food, or restaurants the few chances I ever get.
The only good fascist is the one buried in the earth.
Holy shit you’re right.
Fighting for freedom never ends.
I completely agree it’s like loosing weight, at a certain point it becomes actively harmful.
Propaganda is powerful. You convince your followers that some classes of people don’t deserve kindness, you convince them that everything out of Hollywood is part of a leftist agenda, and once they believe both of those statements it’s very easy to spin this as further proof of the narrative they’ve already bought into.
Hey, fascists don’t deserve kindness.
But what if you kill them with kindness?
I don’t care how you do it, it’s something that must be done either way.
I’m just baffled because not only is it way easier to not hate people, it’s way more beneficial for everyone.
These people are taking two mile hikes to find the perfect deer shit to shove down their throats.
You forget who benefits. It’s not the majority, correct.
That’s fully understood, we’re talking about propaganda, and I’m talking about who that propaganda affects.
You’re not wrong though at all. Arm yourself, convince anyone you can to do the same.
Only war is class war and I aim to win this bitch
For all the right wingers who think woke, pro immigrant superman is a new concept, reminder that this is a poster from the 1950s
Interestingly enough zero black people depicted, or any other races but white - just one dude with a dark orange complexion like the Mango Mussolini.
from this article:
Another story from 1953 called “People are People” has a Black youngster holding off an escaped lion until Superman can capture the animal. The owner of the circus the lion has escaped from wants to congratulate a white boy for his (nonexistent) heroism until Superman points out that the heroic young man was Black, and that the circus owner only wanted to congratulate the white boy because he was prejudiced.
Ethnicities. “Race” is a shit expression.
Probably the same idiots who thought Homelander was a hero.
I’ve been wondering if there are Trump supporters watching The Handmaid’s Tale and siding with Gilead
Yes there are
I’m sure they have watched it and made lots of notes.
too many words, not enough explosions
Homelander is a hero, just not to the public.
You didn’t even upvote your own comment. That’s how stupid it is.
I really don’t know how to convince people they should care about others.
I don’t know how to teach empathy.
People care about their in-group. Make being human their main identity.
By exercising it at a young age in public schools.
And judging those without more harshly.
If you can’t learn empathy, learn to spite the enemies of empathy
You cannot. It’s either felt, or they’re shitspawn to be flushed.
A few slaps on the butt (assisted by a carpet beater when the occasion demands it) will usually do it. At least that’s how my mom did it with us.
“You! Have! To be! Good! To! Your! Sister/neighbor/dog!”
(EDIT: /s if not clear)
Captain Archer had some good ideas. Turns out he really doesn’t like bullies.
That’s the thing, isn’t it? You either have empathy, or you are the other species. The one that can’t comprehend that there is anything wrong with them, but the world would be better off without them.
Oh fuck off would ya? Every time I test my empathy, I am basically shown to be simply unemphatetic. Doesn’t make me a monster - simply instead of feeling something is wrong, I have to think shit through.
And trust me, it’s even easier that way. Would I like someone to kick me? Maim me? Deport me? Does the net good outweight both the general consequence and the consequence for the other party? No? Then don’t fucking do it. Whether I like other party doesn’t take part in the process, which isn’t true for empathy.
Empathy can absolutely develop over time. This rhetoric is not useful. Even dumb fucking right wing pieces of shit feel empathy when their in-group is affected.
If hate can be learned so can empathy, what you’re suggesting is dehumanizing
Empathy can be developed over time by MOST people.
Also, performative empathy can be developed.
But then ALSO, anti empathy seems to be developing in society? Which is wild.
Well, I have neither empathy or sympathy for those anymore. They dehumanized me first, after all.
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I am absolutely with you.
Also people should learn the difference between empathy and sympathy, the latter not as fatiguing and difficult to develop and often more useful.
zack snyder and cristopher nolan turned goofy do-gooder superheroes into unfeeling federal agents and gods we should be subservient to
People angry that Superman represents kindness
Do these people exist? Is it just one troll, or a significant enough of a population to even give the slightest bit of thought?
Look at how many Americans would voluntarily die themselves just to prevent “unworthy” people from getting free health care.
These people exist.
Pain is the point for them
I frequent dive bars. I have met plenty of people who believe in kindness, and love, and Jesus and shit - but not for immigrants, not for non-white people, not for criminals of any level. I straight up have had these people say this to my non-white face and then say, “oh but you don’t count because you have a job” or “you don’t count because you aren’t a drug addict”. Etc. etc.
These people suck fucking dick and I want them all to die.
It’s fucking ironic too when these same people talk about smoking weed, or stealing from big box stores self-checkouts, or vandalizing some dude’s car.
“Rules for thee, not for me.”
I read local obituaries solely to celebrate when I see some of these people die.
This is dark, but you fuckin do you gurl. Fuck em.
If only the circumstances that spawned them would change too…
I’ve met countless people who hate morals and will tell you you’re an idiot if you treat other humans as equals
No way
Business school and working at large corps. You inevitably meet a lot of those trump and tate wannabes
It’s one guy making the propaganda right now, but I assure you, in a week, everyone in your family that you try not to talk to will be spouting this horseshit.
I like the Nathan Fillion comment during some red carpet interview when the interviewer was trying to egg him into saying something that would get rage clicks from one side or the other of the current political trash fire.
“its just a movie guys”
Superman was not a brooding edge lord until Snyder’s take outside of specific story runs, and it is obvious that a lot of people don’t know that.
Captain Hammer best superhero, who’s with me on this
I so want a sequel to the sing along blog.
Dr Horrible has become obsessed with reviving Penny by turning back time. He doesn’t care how many people need to die, because he believes he can “fix” things. But the risk of time travel is the destruction of the universe…
Captain Hammer, now knowing what pain is, has two choices, grow and overcome the pain, or continue to hide away…
And Penny. The multiple zombies, and clones, and computer simulations of Penny that were never “right”. Well, she too has her parts to play.
love it, but it won’t happen.
Dr Horrible was released 17 years ago.
They don’t want Superman, they want Brightburn.
I enjoyed that movie, but the part at the end where they included Aquaman and Wonder Woman was stupid.
I’m curious how this movie is, I’m used to the older ones and a show called Smallvile.
I did not know there was some anger about this Superman movie. Anyone could quick give me a small summary?
Though bit bummed out that they keep remaking movies and shows instead of making new ones.
Anyone could quick give me a small summary?
James Gunn commented that Superman is an immigrant, and conservatives are losing their minds
People on Facebook are telling me he isn’t an immigrant, he’s from outer space. I’m so confused as to what they think an immigrant is
Literally an illegal alien, and they refuse to see it.
The most illegal alien. Smallville had an episode where Clark helped hide an undocumented migrant. His mom tried to chastise him and he had to remind her his own paperwork is shady as hell.
illegal space alien.
illegal alien
So no Englishman from New York?
“Strange visitor from another planet” is one of the first things most people learn about him, right after him being neither a bird nor a plane.
and conservatives are losing their minds
“he can’t be! He isn’t brown!”
Apparently there is a black version of Superman in some comics and they were making a movie of him. Sadly, the movie has been cancelled.
To be fair, the cancelled movie would have been with Will Smith. I’m ok being without a Will Smith Superman movie. Steel did get his own movie, but without any Superman IP in it.
He also said that Superman is kind, and that bothered them too.
That’s all? That’s why they’re upset? Sigh, it’s as if someone accidentally farts and then they rage.
Isn’t he kinda right though? If I remember well, Superman came from another planet.
There are two plausible explanations:
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People think immigrant refers to a person who chose to move. Since Superman didn’t arrive on Earth by choice, he’s not an immigrant. This is, of course, incorrect.
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People think the term immigrant only refers to people who look “different” compared to what is common in the region. This is, of course, racist.
If they’re okay with immigrants who didn’t come by choice, then all the children who were brought to America illegally by their parents should be allowed to stay and everyone born in America should be allowed to stay citizens.
As for Superman not looking like an immigrant, it is actually a big coincidence in-universe that he happens to look like a white human. There’s no Europe on Krypton.
As for Superman not looking like an immigrant, it is actually a big coincidence in-universe that he happens to look like a white human. There’s no Europe on Krypton.
Now I want an alternate-universe Superman who happens to be black, and lands in racist-as-hell-ville in the rural USA.
he would be a refugee.
Refugees are a type of immigrant though.
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But that’s nothing new. In Smallville there is one episode in which Clark literally said to his mother Martha that he is an illegal alien too.
I 100% expected this movie to suck and was even saying up to its release that it would flop.
I’ve seen all the Superman movies since the 80s. And all the TV shows.
This is my favorite movie.
This movie won me over when I saw Krypto and the fortress Bots. That’s the kind of stuff I’ve always wanted, but then idiots like Bryan Singer and Christopher Nolan (who clearly hate and are embarrassed by the source material) show up and want to make everything dark and “realistic” so characters like krypto don’t make it to the movies. Fuck realism, im watching a movie about a super alien fighting monsters, i don’t want realism in my comic book movies
I don’t think Christopher Nolan wasn’t embarrassed by Batman and he only made a standalone trilogy. If he was embarrassed by Batman, he wouldn’t have included an homage to Adam West Batman.
Singer and Synder are just edgelords. You can find them at any comic book store arguing about something stupid, but tolerated longer then they should be because they spend the most money.
On the Synder track, 300 is just a really uncomfortable movie. It’s a propaganda movie for a hell-state.
Isn’t that like the point? The whole movie is visualization of the propaganda speech that the narrator (Dilios) is making before the battle of Plataea.
Did anyone walk away from that movie thinking “this is an unreliable narrator story and we shouldn’t take the fash-y elements at face value” or was it “damn the Spartans were bad ass”?
I thought it was weird that the “Heroes” threw deformed babies off a cliff and then when one of the deformed babies who survived, took the opportunity to betray the Spartans. What did Miller and Snyder mean by that?
I like realism. I also like fantasy. It’s interesting to see different people takes on these characters imo. I think it would be boring if every time they make a new Superman franchise it was exactly like the last one.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/48819895
Some conversations about it here. No spoilers, as of this writing.
Conservatives are still mad that Superman fought the kkk.
Which is admitting they side with the kkk, isn’t it
Well, yeah. They aren’t exactly trying to hide their white supremacist tendencies anymore.
If Superman were real, he 100% would have melted a lot of those racist fucks.
If you haven’t, I highly recommend reading “Superman Smashes the Klan.” An all-timer, based on a radio story from 1946, which was honestly its own kind of ballsy.
The cinematic-repubLkan-universe kindness is weakness… Good doesn’t pretend to be evil. But evil does pretend to be good…ffs, 'the list is on my desk…"
Kidness is woke. And you know, woke is bad because reasons.
Idk, I always thought Superman was cool, but a little boring and vanilla. I normally prefer Batman. Admittedly, I’ve never dived down the Superman lore pit, but I am aware that he gets a little darker sometimes. He’s definitely one of the better role model heroes. Anyone that actually hates Superman, is a dipshit.
I dunno’, batman is cool, but he’s an ineffectual LARPer that refuses to do the ONE thing that would actually start to fix things in Gotham…
That and he’s a billionaire that decides to keep up the playboi image despite his escapades demonstrably having a miniscule effect on crime in Gotham compared to him just using his billions to actually help solve the systemic issues in Gotham’s economy that drives so many to crime in the first place.
In short, Batman is everything wrong with the American attitude about capitalism.
At least Superman has the excuse that he is not an economic powrhouse that actually could indirectly improve thousands upon thousands of peoples’ lives. … as weirdly as an all-powerful being not being an economic powerhouse is.
Batman is definitely cool. That just can’t be disputed. He definitely spends a fuck ton of money on the city. His main obstacle, is the writing. Gotham City has to be awful. It has to be, or there is no story. He can’t kill villains regularly, because of plot. If the problems were capable of being fixed, then he’d be on of the best possible people to solve them.
The problems are capable of being fixed. The people of Gotham take to crime to survive because they have been squeezed by the ruling class and it’s the only way to protect what remains of their material conditions.
The Waynes and people like them, the owning class, prop up a system of inequality that forces these conditions to endure.
Bruce Wayne, the richest and most powerful of all, is hurt back (his parents killed) and instead of solving the systemic issues, he doles out individualized corporal punishment as a vigilante.
It’s the ultimate extension of “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”: Rich people will never acknowledge that the very system that provides them power is the ultimate root of all the issues they intend to solve via violence. Batman is himself the ultimate villain of the story.
I wish. He doesn’t even dole out corporal punishment, at least as far as those words mean to the state that he continually props up.
I agree his biggest problem is the writing, because in reality, he’d be the best person to fix the problems (as you say)… outside of his freakish inability to kill irredeemable trash.
Though that’s why he sucks so bad when reconciling everything back to reality. He absolves the rich of fixing problems because not even the “cool” insanely rich and very willing philanthropist Batman can fix a single city let alone a country, and heaven forbid killing irredeemable trash!
He’s inadvertently a perfect example of how blind capitalism and boundless optimism are absolute braindead garbage perspectives.
Tell that to Bludhaven. Nightwing > Batman.
Nah, Batman is definitely cooler than Dick. Which makes sense, he’s been doing it for several more years. I don’t know too much about Bludhaven. But I’m pretty sure that it’s categorically less fucked up. Nightwing doesn’t have to be as effective as Batman imo.
Dick used his money to turn it from resembling Gotham to resembling Metropolis. Cool is irrelevant, Dick is ridiculously more efficient and solution focused than Bruce, who is just obsessed with punishment and subjugation of people who have done wrong, Dick is objectively a better superhero for his city, and is focused on solving problems rather than punishment, he’s also not an asshole or a fascist.
Batman brained a guy so bad he lost his mind and became Calander Man, he is not solution oriented.
But Batman DOES uses his billions to help Gotham. The problem is that most of his rogues gallery is composed of high ranking rich mafia bosses, and the rest are completely insane individuals (or even sane people who just LIKE being evil for no reason like Scarecrow who literally gasses people until they die of fright just to study their reactions). You can’t possibly think bribing the Joker with a billion dollars would stop him from bombing orphanages, gassing entire neighborhoods, or LITERALLY NUKING AN ENTIRE CITY.
Investing money into Gotham isn’t gonna stop the Penguin or Black Mask from running protection rackets or bribing cops, it won’t stop Poison Ivy from commiting literal ecoterrorism, and it won’t stop Victor Zsasz from gutting people to death with knives, or Deadshot from assassinating people.
Oh, and another thing: the city is actually fucking cursed with evil black magic. That’s not hyperbole. The city literally makes people evil.
Batman only is a vigilante because his work as Bruce Wayne is not enough.
The obvious solution to the irredeemable crazies I hint at is to KILL THEM. Then it would become a question of why the fuck isn’t he helping Gotham’s economy?
I get what you’re hinting at, that a lot of it is a lack of perspective by the writers, but the fact remains that Batman is one of the least effectual “heros” there is.
You can’t possibly think bribing the Joker with a billion dollars would stop him from bombing orphanages
You’re missing OP’s point. Depending on which Joker origin story you’re looking at, then the man would never become the joker in the first place. Like if we go with the recent movie version of Joker’s origin, he became the joker in large part because of an awful healthcare system and a horrible social safety net system. If he got good care and treatment all through his life then he never would become the Joker
Depends on the comic. Sometimes he has philanthropic initiatives that get attacked by the bad guys.
Sometimes seems like a piss-poor excuse to me.
In fiction, hard agree; in reality, I’d summon super man over bat man pretty quick. I think he’s boring because he doesn’t leave much room for interesting conflict. irl, I don’t want interesting conflict lol
I’d prefer benevolent god over tech wizard bdsm billionaire exceptionalism. The guy choosing to be small is far greater than the guy buying big shoes
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