How is it a mistake? Kal El is literally from another planet! The term “immigrant” or “alien” could not possibly apply more.
also El in the name refers to GOD too it as christian as it can get
Another chance to post this…
From a 1949 book cover distributed to schools by DC.
Superman was always woke you dummy.
The very notion of superman is woke. With his powers, he could rule earth. Instead he helps kids and little old ladies with nothing to gain for himself. The guy is empathy incarnate.
Such a cool story. One of the few DC titles I enjoy.
Fine, I guess I’ll go read All-Star Superman again.
I know we never measured up to these ideals, but at least we had them. Painful to see.
I don’t know what social media Gunn uses, but someone should get him to recreate this poster with David.
That’s a great idea!
Superman started off as Anti-Facist. But it’s worth noting it was co-opted during WW2 and the Cold War and became more of a propaganda vehicle than anything.
If the only thing Cain has to whine about in 2025 is denying Superman’s leftist origins written by depression era immigrants, he’s really got nothing to complain about or is trying to distract from some bullshit or sell something
He tries to stay relevant by being a right wing influencer. He is the definition of has been.
hes like sorbo, brain damage from stroke, and only cast in christian movies.
That’s literally his backstory. He’s a refugee from another planet that’s like the whole point.
Imagine being this goddamn stupid.
Well, Ackchyually…
The “Superman isn’t an immigrant” is a bad faith argument… but I think it’s technically correct.
Being an immigrant implies intent of moving from one country to another, which Superman didn’t have. Especially since he came to earth as a baby and has no ties to krypton. I wouldn’t call someone who was born in another country and was adopted as a baby into another country and immigrant.
Superman does explore themes of immigration from its conception. Though it’s worth noting that if viewed from this perspective, it’s a very old fashion American model of immigration, that might be viewed negatively today - he adopts his American upbringing in every meaningful way, especially his values, while his own culture is abandoned (nearly?) completely.
Supergirl, on the other hand, is an immigrant.
Superman is an immigrant created by two sons of immigrants.
His parents sent him to Earth to have a better life (any life at all really). Something similar happens in reality where parents in Central and South America send their children, alone, to the US.
Also happens with babies adopted from other countries. You may not consider them immigrants, but the government sure as hell does. There’s quite a bit of immigration paperwork that needs to get filed in order for one of those adoptions to go through.
You just wrote an essay to argue semantics. Why? Maybe “refugee” would be more accurate, but the two are synonymous in the current political discussion. You’re creating a conflict here for no reason other than your own enjoyment from arguing. If that’s what you want to do, go to twitter.
Cain voted for Bill Clinton twice, and voted for Al Gore in the 2000 United States presidential election, the latter of which he later said he regretted.[21] He supported John McCain in the 2008 election, and supported Rick Perry in the 2012 election.[30] In 2016 and 2020, he endorsed and voted for Donald Trump.[31][32] He also endorsed him for the 2024 election.[33]
In 2018, Cain was elected to the board of directors of the National Rifle Association of America.[34][35]
-Wikipedia
check dean caine’s pipes for lead contamination
It’s like you can track his slow backslide into the racist Republican pipeline.
I mean, he may be right that it’ll hurt the box office to polarize the public, but Superman is as much an illegal alien as you can get.
Come to think of it, what is the story regarding his birth certificate, citizenship etc? Did Ma and Pa Kent claim a home birth and get him documented?
Depends on what comics. From what i read in some comic series he was actually birthed on earth and was able to run for president. While in other comic series he came as a baby and was adopted ( which, if unknown origins, means us citizenship iirc ).
That is only the story in a couple of comics of the 90’s.
Since its conception in the 30’s, Superman has always been an illegal immigrant from Krypton.
Correct indeed. Not sure why im getting downvoted though.
He was an immigrant in most comics, yes. But not illegal lolWould he not be considered an illegal alien? It’s not like he was sent to the US under standard procedures. He was basically dumped at a US homestead.
Dean Cain is an idiot. So there’s that.
Sadly, yes. Like the hercules guy
DISAPPOINTED!!
Two of my childhood heroes dammit…
We still have Lucy Lawless. I heard the kid you played “Young Hercules” turned out to be a nice guy, I wonder what he’s been doing lately?
Oh, I wish I had her…
He’s also not white so what does he gain from making a stink about this? Japanese superman was the most woke thing to exist until 2018, he’s got no room to talk. His show was also basically about superman’s girlfriend, an extremely woke interpretation of superman. We can do this all day lmao
basically about superman’s girlfriend,
And casting Teri Hatcher in that role, someone who’s very expressive and versatile, was a huge success.
My girlfriend and I watched a couple episodes of Lois and Clarke recently because we were like “woke superman?” and then found out about dean cain being a maga idiot lmao I had never heard of dean cain before but it was so weird to have that kind of whiplash. Pick a lane, guy.
Superman as an immigrant’s story is one of the oldest and most obvious analyses of the character. It’s barely even subtext; it’s just text. Imagine how he’ll react when he finds out Superman was originally a New Deal socialist who went around smashing up corrupt capitalists’ businesses for safety violations.
The quintessential symbol of heroism, of ‘The American Way’, Superman, was created during the rise of fascism and nazism by two Midwestern Jewish boys, one of whom had immigrated from Canada and whose parents were immigrants from Russia and The Netherlands. In the story introducing their character to the world, he saves a wrongly convicted woman from execution, stops a wife beater from killing his wife, and stops a slimy lobbyist and corrupt senator from roping the US into a war with Europe. i.e. it acknowledges that the justice system gets it wrong, that women can be abused and endangered by their husbands, and that congress has a huge corruption and bribery problem. Sounds pretty fucking woke to me. And a few years later had him literally punch Hitler. The idea that they didnt have anything to say with the character about prejudice, about immigrants adopting their new home and being adopted in turn, about politics, is fucking laughable… “too woke”. No, Dean, you’re too ignorant to think that he ever wasn’t “woke”.
Oh, that’s the tip if the iceberg. There’s one comic where he smashes up the city’s slums because he finds out the government will replace them with nicer, rent-subsidized apartments. There’s another where he traps a mine owner and all of his rich friends in a cave-in because of unsafe working conditions. Then there was the time he decided to take on traffic safety by smashing cars until the mayor promised to start enforcing traffic violations. Old-school Superman was one of those violent, radical-leftists the conservatives are so scared of.
Ignoranus n. Someone who is both ignorant and an asshole.
This is peak absurdity. You have a being from another planet, the being is sent from another planet because his planet was about to explode. In a last ditch attempt he was sent to earth by his parents. It surely sounds like a person who could be identified as an immigrant, illegal alien or asylum seeker.
Did Covid make dumb people even dumber? Ignorance certainly is bliss…
These people want to be evil but hate being told that they’re evil, so anything with an anti-evil message must be “woke”.
Funny thing is I’ve been calling Superman an illegal immigrant for decades. All of the sudden it’s not a joke anymore. It’s a friggin comic book hero for crying out loud.
I dont know how legit was the research methodology, but I did read a paper somewhere that even asymptomatic covid decreased peoples QI for a measurable ammount.
Did COVID make dumb people even dumber?
No, they were always that dumb. They probably just projected themselves onto Superman because he’s a strong white man and clearly strong white people cannot be illegal immigrants because that breaks their pathetic little power trip fantasy.
This is specifically comments by Dean Cain, a man who once played Superman, but didn’t seem to actually pay attention to any of the scripts, because he became a right wing grifter.
Wait can someone explain since when is superman not an immigrant? Bro literally fell from the sky or some shit from an alien planet. How the fuck is he not an immigrant? Oh right hes white.
Not that it is incorrect to call him an immigrant, but I do think “castaway” and “refugee” fit his situation a little better. Still a xenophobic thing to say he’s not an immigrant. Every single document regarding Clark Kent’s existence is falsified, so he is, by definition, an illegal alien.
They actually changed this in the mid-90s (and since changed it back). From 96-09, he was a legal US citizen because his “rocket” was somehow just incubating the embryonic Kal-El and thus he was ACTUALLY born on American soil from the Birthing Matrix.
he was ACTUALLY born on American soil from the Birthing Matrix.
Reader: “How is he not an immigrant alien?”
90s DC Retconners: Slaps the side of a weird techno-widget “Space Wizards did it.”
right wingers will accept that explanation and then start screeching about made-up stories of mexicans bringing birthing machines onto US soil to replace the population
I mean from a lore standpoint thats interesting but for the overall story him being an immigrant works much better.
In principle a baby found on U.S. soil that you cannot find the parents of is assumed to be a baby born in the U.S. and therefore a U.S. citizen by birth according to the 14th amendment.
Anyone who thinks they are going to be sent to a concentration camp could ditch their baby at a fire station and I can’t see how it wouldn’t be a citizen.
You can’t prove the child came from insert country unless you are taking blood samples from all the kids and populous and cross checking them to see if they match. It would cost way more than just ignoring it.
Mother’s give home births all the time. And if people are anti abortion, then they better be ready for a lot of babies dropped off at fire stations without paperwork
fortunately the US recently solved this problem by simply making it “legal” to toss people out even if they’re actively shoving proof of their citizenship in the face of an ICE agent
Jesus is whitey white aswell
6’3" Dutch-Irishman with crystal blue eyes and perfectly manicured cuticles.
Well, you can fuck off Dean Cain.
Superman is an assimilated Jewish diaspora immigrant.
“Name?”
“Kal-El”
“Clark Kent, got it.”
ICE shows up at Henry Cavill’s house this weekend
That’ll be quite the talking point in South Kensington next week!
I’ve never cared about anything superman related because it is just the most boring premise of a character to me. what’s the best way not get lumped in with idiots like this?
If the premise of a superman story is “strong guy fight strong guy,” then yeah, not very interesting. What I’d prefer to see is a story that explores what having superheroes around does to humanity. What happens when a kid copies Superman and jumps off a building, and doesn’t get caught? What happens when police expect a superhero to do their job for them? At what point does Superman decide to step away because he thinks he’s causing more harm than good?
What I’d prefer to see is a story that explores what having superheroes around does to humanity.
The Boys, basically.
Maybe my memory is tainted because I tried to read the comic version of The Boys somewhat recently, but Watchmen is a much more mature exploration of the same topics.
Dr Manhattan is a good exploration of the omnipotent superman.
Misfits is a personal favourite show that explores some of those themes.
Misfits is more about flawed people getting powers.
Great show, but not the “limits of superman and how normal people react” theme being discussed.
Thats fair, I just like the show :)
Go see the movie just to spite Dean Cain.
