An Anti Hero is basically a good guy who is kinda bad, or does good things for bad reasons. Deadpool’s a classic example of an Anti Hero
Saint Luigi 🙏
Isn’t this just a hero?
Can you be a hero for not doing anything?
Assuming he didn’t do it (he didn’t), he’s taking the fall for a saint so that’s saintly on its own imo
Shut up baby, I know it!
Malcolm Reynolds
A Firefly fan in the wild!!!
There’s dozens of us!
I feel like the overlap of Firefly fans and Lemmy is pretty gorram big.
Shiny
You’re probably right. The last time I saw Firefly get brought up, there were many comments of people just shitting on it.
Capt Tightpants
“I aim to misbehave”
Mal is pretty darn heroic. They glossed over the space civil war so as far as we know the browncoats weren’t fighting to preserve slavery. Mal’s a pretty excellent moral guide for what these sovcit nerds wish they were, and enough of a moral actor to be a role model. Evenhanded and loving with subordinates (even Jayne), unrelenting in moral crusade against the government, and a preference for negotiation (even with Constance and Nishka!) but enough of a badass to get out of it (or having a loving found family who can help). He sticks his neck out to help people in need (like the Brothel), and goes along with a reversal even if it means all of their previous efforts were for nothing (my favorite episode, Ariel). A lot of the confusion is just how acidic and brooding Mal starts off, and his arc (such as we see it) is even just 'becomes less curmudgeonly and embraces this heroic side of himself)."
I think a real example in this space is Spike Spiegle from fellow late 2000s bounty hunter broke as dirt space opera, Cowboy Bebop. Spike is much more about money, revenge, and a good fight, and is very open about his nihlism and readiness to get himself killed, but somehow ends up helping a few people along the way.
They said anti-hero.
V from V For Vendetta
Woody Harrelson’s character in Zombieland was perfect.
That’ll do pig. That’ll do.
>does good things for bad reasons >gluttony is considered by many to be bad
kirby. kirby is my favorite antihero
To be fair, after the swallowing he sometimes puke. It’s not a total sin, but just a eating disorder.
After watching Andor, I guess Luthem Rael fits that title. Dude’s absolutely savage. Forced to use the tools of his enemy to fight for freedom that he’ll likely never experience. He sacrifices good people on order to protect the whole
It’s also established that’s he’s an accelerationist. He’s intentionally baiting the Empire to crackdown more brutally on dissent in an effort to forment rebellion among the common people of the galaxy. He fears that if he does not do this, there will be a day when the Empires grip is too tight to escape.
“It will burn… Very brightly”
In the end, he was right. The Death Star vindicates his methods. Without Luthen laying the groundwork for the Rebel Alliance, the Galaxy would have been a boiling frog and the Death Star would have led to its brutal oppression for generations.
He’s absolutely a hero and without him the death star would’ve probably obliterated the rebellion (if it even existed without him). His methods aren’t exactly “good” though from the perspective of good vs evil. As we see with Mon Mothma who is maybe a bit naïve and definitely doesn’t approve of his methods. But I think a rebellion needs a Luthen. He knows he’ll be hated by pretty much everyone, but in the end he managed to get so much done. He’s the fall guy so the formal rebellion doesn’t have to get their hands dirty.
Beatrix Kiddo “The Bride” from “Kill Bill”.
Sooo evil, but you just have to love her.
I wouldn’t say she’s an anti-hero, her soul motivation is revenge. It’s just a point of convenience that she’s also taking out bad guys.
Yes, the sinister toe wiggling
Tarantino. Toes. Figures.
Riddick
Leto II. Deadpool was already taken, so I went with a more controversial example.
Iirc, the original definition of an antihero didn’t mean a bad guy you root for. It meant a hero in the story that didnt embody the traditional heroic traits of courage, strength, faith in God, noble morality, etc. The antihero is the hero who is not really heroic - a hero who is kind of just a normal person. An example of this being Don Quixote - a man who spent his time fighting dragons and rescuing princesses only in his imagination.
These days, almost all heros outside children’s books are antiheros. Because true heros are flat and one dimensional and unrelatable and don’t contribute to an engaging plot. These days, it isn’t thrilling enough for us to hear how the knight slew the dragon. He must first overcome… I dunno, his childhood trauma or something… And then he can slay the dragon!
I just recently started Don Quixote and have only just made it into part 2, but he doesn’t really strike me as a hero. Maybe in his own head he thinks so. He’s certainly the protagonist, but from what i’ve read so far, he’s been rather antagonistic towards the people he interacts with.
I’ve got to go with a classic in Tony Soprano. He’s a real piece of shit, and yet I can’t look away.
Deadpool.
Vegeta. Fun character.
Vegeta embodies the rage that all of us feel and has one of the best character arcs of all time IMO.
he had his entire life stolen from him by the monster that took him in, not out of pittance, but out of a sick sense of entertainment.
he then spent the next 20-ish years trying to become stronger to complete his desire for vengeance, and even then he wasn’t enough.
he literally had everything stolen from him. beaten from him. was mocked relentlessly because of who and what he is. they took everything but one thing. That one thing that could never be taken from him. His pride.
I learned so much about myself as a person as I watched his character develop. I keep a figure of him on my desk to remind myself of how far I have come and to protect my pride.
he is, by far, one of the most influential characters in my entire life.
Add the fact that he becomes a decent family man and you have one heck of an arc.
There’s a hilarious canon scene where Vegeta proves to be a better dad than Goku (granted that doesn’t take much)
yeah…Goku really is a piece of shit dad.