Yeah, calling the only black dude Shacklebolt as well. The more you look the worse it gets.
Even the Irish kid gets worse in the books. Apart from making things explode, his other notable character trait is repeatedly trying to turn various drinks into whiskey.
his other notable character trait is repeatedly trying to turn various drinks into whiskey.
In fucking fairness half of your personal goals as an Irish teenager in the 90s and 2000s related to acquiring alcohol and getting drunk.
True, but the first time we see him try in the books I think he’s like 12.
Yes… and? (I’m Finnish.)
Jesus fucking Christ what? there was a character named shacklebolt???
Kingsly Shacklebolt, i believe he was the personal assistant to the prime minister. His most famous quote: “dumbledores got style”
Not the only black character in harry potter btw
“Not the only black character in harry potter btw”
Yeah everyone forgets about Hermione
Black Hermione? What
JK pushed a tweet out explaining that she always envisioned Hermione as a black girl.
It was at the beginning of her descent into madness.
That makes the whole SPEW thing even more hilarious. Imagine a black girl starts a campaign to end slavery of house elves, and everybody makes fun of her. The fucking author’s position ins that the elves actually prefer slavery and Hermione is stupid for trying to end that.
I swear y’all talk out your ass so much of the time, I get Rowling is a shitty terf but lying about content of the books is just stupid.
Harry freeing dobby is a major plot point
I would watch a black Hermione rip Harry and Ron some new ones.
Off topic, but I dig black Velma in the reboot.
Sorry to disappoint, but Velma is Indian in the reboot, as Mindy Kaling is Indian.
Like a lot of the worst stuff in the book, it didn’t make it into the movies I think.
Oh goodness, I never thought of that.
And the bank goblins being Jewish caricatures
And now about the transfem character Sirona Ryan.
Broken clock right?
reminds me of “spear chucker” on MASH.
In the book, just like in the movie, Spearchucker reveals that the nickname “Spearchucker”, ordinarily a racial slur, referred in this case to his javelin-throwing prowess.
They use the racism behind his nickname to address racism:
The film also depicts Spearchucker as a particularly skilled neurosurgeon and this, together with the experience of playing football together, helps Duke Forrest overcome his racial prejudices and the two become friends at the end, shaking hands when it is time for Duke to go back stateside.
Nah… come on… please, let that not have been a conscious thing
Mate, there’s so many weird or disturbing things in the books that didn’t make it into the movies.
The Troubles was so long ago for me that the character quirk went over my head.
Allow me to hit you with my cane. The Manchester blast was fucking loud.
…wut
Thank you kindly for the links, I was just about to search for the Manchester Bombing, if I’m being honest I thought “The Troubles” was the name of a book or movie. I didn’t realize they gave such a non-chillant name to such a bloody conflict. Suddenly the meme makes sense though!
Thanks again!
It tends to attract negative attention if you admit there’s a civil war going on.
They never really did.
Also I never really used Google. I am a duckduckgo or brave search or even startpage type of guy.
Just FYI - Startpage is also using Google’s search index, so you’re kind of also “googling”.
Probably why I dont really use it. Duckduckgo and brave.
In general, there are two main search indexes: Google’s and Bing’s, with a bunch of smaller ones here and there.
DDG uses Bing and Yahoo, mainly. Their own index is relatively small.
Brave says they use their own index.
The films added the stereotypes. They made the goblins hooked nosed and added a Star of David decoration to the greengots bank floor.
It’s not in the books but Rowling still had huge control over the film so retains responsibility.
She’s also derivative as hell, but children’s lit doesn’t get real deep reviews, and we were all too busy defending it from Christianity to really notice.
The erasure of Worst Witch is a crime.
starring Tim Curry? how have i missed this
It’s overlooked because he doesn’t play a villain, Curry is at his best as the bad guy
Nigel thornberry would like a word
I was today years old when I learned Tim Curry voiced Nigel Thornberry. Smashing.
Wait…is Dr. Frank-N-Furter a villain? I always thought he was the hero and Riff-Raff was the villain.
I didn’t say he was bad at non villain roles or didn’t take them, it’s just he’s so good at villains people forget the other roles
Sure - but I’m also still wondering what the consensus is on Frank-N-Furter. Hero? Antihero? Villain? When I search online, I get all 3
Cho Chang
Those are at least actual popular Chinese names, as Chinese people mention every time this comes up on Reddit.
You’re California pretty
You’re really really skinny
(Cho-Chang!)
You’re cuter than a guinea piiiig
'l’ll take you down to Winnipeg
That’s in Canada!
What’s racist about it? I’m not racist enough to understand
To say the UK and Ireland have had explosive interactions in the past would be a bit of an understatement. There were spates of car bombings, shootings, and other forms of violence all along the border of Northern Ireland (Due to both sides believing Northern Island should be part of their nation).
Addendum: This was not a purely binary conflict. There were also those in Northern Ireland who did not align with either aggressor.
Rowling probably takes a more pro-UK stance, and therefore is comparing the Irish people to the IRA (Irish Republican Army) bombers.
The conflict(s) were part of a period known as The Troubles (Wiki page linked)
Disclaimer - I’m an American outsider with an interest in learning about history, so I may not have the most accurate summary of events from either side of the story. The Wikipedia article should summarize incidents much better.
This is the shit they should teach us in school. The American education system sucks. Almost everything i’ve learned about world history I learned myself.
My father is a history teacher - and he inspired me to always keep learning about every part of the world that I can (and also about unique hobbies and technical fields, since I aspire to be an engineer).
I have to thank him again for all the amazing books he shared with me (and techniques for analyzing sources on the internet).
They teach it in the European History course and schools in the UK teach it. I find it quite plausible that mandatory education does not teach something with no relation to the USA.
To add to that you also have the people living there rather split on which country they would like to be part of
Definitely.
Edit: added an addendum to the original post.
I feel this characterises it as more of a border dispute between nation states. I’m not going to get into the rights and wrongs of any side in this (because it’ll take far too long and frankly I doubt I could be completely objective). I’m commenting only to say it wasn’t that.
I’m 100% an outsider on the topic, so I’d definitely defer to the wikipedia article. Feel free to let me know if there’s any holes I should patch in the post though.
(The fighting occurred along the border, which is what I mentioned, but there is probably nuance I need to add).
So your not American? Never drank a certain Irish named drop shot drink?
I’m familiar with the shot and the years of conflict. But I didn’t realize that’s what it was referring to initially. Sometimes it takes some help for people to piece it together.
I think what you want to ask is what’s the trouble, mate.
Im so glad she has no idea what Mexicans or latinos are. We would have gotten “Jose frijoles” a Mexican wizard with a moustache and hat who throws a spanish word into every sentence.
I don’t know if I’m laughing art JKR’s racism or at that funny racist sketch.
It’s ok to laugh at satire of racists 👍
Racism is so much fun amirite?
It’s fun to laugh at racist, so yes.
You can make fun of stereotypes without being racist.
This is literally just a commentary on how JK Rowling wrote her other characters like Cho Chang and Kingsley shacklebolt.
No reasonable person is offended by the joke because it’s making fun of the stereotype not of the actual race.
Ok I know I shouldnt have, but that did make me chuckle.
There’s no “shouldn’t have” here. We can laugh at these things. This was a joke about how badly JKR writes foreigners, not a joke about the race it depicts.
There are good and bad jokes about racial stereotypes. Are we making fun of Mexicans or are we making fun of racist peoples’ stereotypes about Mexicans? I’d argue this joke was the latter.
I’m not so sure, I think the Irish would be proud of their history of making things explode.
Guessing it’s due to the IRA bombings?
Correct.
Only some of them, it’s very divisive I think. Can an Irish lad confirm?
The more South you go the less divisive it gets.
The further south you go the more people who have been generationally tortured by the brits and their northern tools
Its divisive in Ireland.
Opinions on everything from that time vary widely.
Im born and reared in Cork btw.
I know this is just a meme but isn’t this scene of Seamus Finnigan a movie only scene?
There are plenty of reasons to shit on JK Rowling, but shouldn’t this one be on the director? (Assuming it was done on purpose.)
No one seems to have had any issue with the stereotyping didnt seem to appear until the internet decided she was a cunt. The reality is that the character is one of the better ones in the book. Yes, hes stereotyped and the blowing up gags are a lot. But the character is never shat on. Never made to be the butt of the joke. Hes shown to be brave, funny, loyal. He grows up over the course of the books, and his character goes through some shit.
The main issue seems to be that Americans dont understand, that people over here arent so thin skinned. We can take jokes about stereotypes on the chin. Pretty much everyone in the book is stereotyped in some way. But none of it ever comes across as mean spirited.
Its all just “JK bad” shit. Instead of focusing on her, the things she says and does. People want to make out like everything she ever did was shit. Its silly.
That bank Harry goes to has a Star of David on the floor. The bank staffed by hideous trolls. It is genuinely funny just how bigoted this women, and by extension the director(s) have been this entire time.
There’s no way you people would think she’s racist if she wasn’t transphobic.
She was very accepting of Hermione being cast as a black girl. Seamus was just used as comedic relief in the movies, much moreso than in the books, with his magical mistakes causing explosions being primarily when he was a kid. He was loyal and high achieving character.
Meanwhile, the blonde character who uses the offense slur “mudblood” is the childhood villain for most the books. Yet she is racist for this somehow too, I imagine.
There’s no way you people would think she’s racist
That’s mainly because she was hyped up for so long and she didn’t go all out, but it wasn’t long until someone noticed the Gringot’s bankers were Jewish Stereotypes and some of the names were a bit iffy. But I think it really was a “Little Britain” situation where we didn’t get it until the second read through.
Also, in her books for adults, she’s gone mask off, especially against Mixed Race people.
she had a reputation for racial stereotyping even before she went mask-off as a terf, decades back. like naming the one Asian character Cho Chang (sounds like ching chang chong; both names are from different Asian countries), naming the one Black character Kingsley Shacklebolt (King from MLK, shackle from slavery), naming the Jewish character Anthony Goldstein, naming an Irish character Seamus Finnegan…
…it’s not that she was necessarily super racist, she just used very stereotypical/over the top names for her characters. so I don’t hate her for being racist, I hate her for being transphobic.
About Cho Chang though, she actually looked up the meanings and choose Cho because it meant butterfly. I’ve never really associated that character’s name as a play on the racist stereotype, being Oriental myself. I’ve just associated it with general western ignorance.
As abhorrent as she is now, she was a queer ally but just didn’t understand trans, like many people around her age and demographic. She reacted to the massive backlash and drove herself into the weeds.
She’s horrible now and deserves all the hate but know that she’s a result of our own making. I think if any new people express a misunderstanding, it’s far better to make a bridge to correct that misunderstanding. It takes a lot on our part, trans and trans allies, but I’d rather make a friend out of a fool than a foolish enemy.
I think there’s a lot of truth to what you’re saying, though there’s a little more to the story. for reasons I don’t understand, the UK specifically has always been terfier than other Western countries. more lgb-friendly, but historically anti-trans. MumsNet was full of terfs with very similar demographics to Rowling years before trans awareness hit the spotlight.
I think we did a poor job educating potential allies and making a case for ourselves, in a way that got weaponized against us, but terf ideology is as old as Janice Raymond and second-wave feminism. I’m not sure Rowling specifically would have ever been on board.
YOU’RE DOING THAT THING THAT REDDITORS DO
I find it amazing that she can be so fucking tone deaf.
Like, wasn’t half of your entire best-selling series about equality/prejudice, you daft fucking terf? Pretty sure there was a whole lot about the unfair treatment of house elves and muggle-borns. Pretty sure that first antagonist we meet (aside from the Dudley’s) is a poster-child for Hitler Youth.
Pretty sure there was a whole lot about the unfair treatment of house elves
no, the house elves loved being slaves and hermione was being hysterical for fighting for their rights.
Which is also amazing because she is simultaneously a target herself for being muggle-born. To the point that she had to erase herself from her own parents memories.
Meanwhile in the real world, bigotry is still common among oppressed groups. See also: racism in LGBT communities, self-hating Jews, Catholics/Protestants, close-the-border 1st and 2nd gen immigrants etc.
to be fair, some people see palestine action, or fighting for equality and think of us as hysterical.
sometimes fiction accidentally lines up.
The difference between Palestinians and house elves is that Palestinians don’t like being in a concentration camp that is constantly being bombarded by its guards.
House elves like being servile and the thing that struck Hermione the most is that many owners took advantage of their servitude by using them as a valve to live out their sadism. Hermione’s biggest flaw was that her goals were all over the place and it would have been better to just cross out the cruel treatment of the elves by pursuing a protection law similar to the law to “protect” muggles. Protect in quotes here because wizards and witches (especially the adult ones) are batshit fucking insane and care much more about their secrecy than the victims of the crime. Meddling with shit like health care and wages for house elves, which they don’t even want, is pointless.
They see me (rowling), they hating. Trying to catch me writing dirty…
This made me laugh way harder than it should’ve, bwahaha
I’m surprised he wasn’t also black.
She’d call him Kwame Kongo
Edit: omg I forgot about Shacklebolt
every time i remember she named him that im in actual disbelief😥
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