What I hope for those in other countries, is that they understand that I had no control or decision of what vagina I fell out of or what dirt I landed on.
I did not choose to be American, I was just born here. And I most certainly do not agree or approve of any war.
I do hope most other decent people might agree with me.
Fuck Donald Turd.
I hear you, the issue for me is that a third of your country people voted for the cunt, another third didn’t care enough not to vote against the cunt, which leaves a large majority of Americans complicit in this - enough in my view to effectively use the term as a blanket reference to most people in the country.
Speaking on a more granular level, I wish you well and the best of luck - but the majority of your population can go fuck themselves.
Don’t think for a second we dont feel a strong flood emotions when we see the 66% of Americans who are a complete drain on the people around them face consequences for their actions(or inaction). The fact is, it doesnt happen nearly enough and it never changes anything.
Has it ever crossed anyone’s mind, that those of that didn’t vote, was usually because we didn’t approve of either candidate?
I never approved of orange baby, plain and simple.
Kamala was cool though, looking to help people and not deceive them, and I just might have voted for her.
But even though I have no problem with a female president, she would have too many world stage problems with countries and groups that don’t respect women at all.
So, seeing both as a risk, why would I have voted for either? Like, why did Pete Buttiguieg drop out?
That’s the real question, what forces in play made my dude Pete drop out? I sure as hell would have voted for him!
Boo. Boo this man.
What a wonderful response, objecting against someone that would have actually voted if Pete would have stayed in the running.
I may not have voted, but I know for a fact I would never vote for the diaper.
Like, why is it always a heads/tails coin decision?
And what the fuck is up with the Electoral College?
What skin would it have taken for you to just pull the lever for kamala?
Maybe youre saving it for “the one”
I, like most Americans, know we only get one vote! Gotta save it for that perfect candidate!
/S obv
You gotta get in the building first. Back in 2016, me and a friend went to vote. I would have voted Vermin Supreme (legit candidate no less), and my buddy planned on writing in Batman.
We stood in line for around 2 hours. For about the last half hour of waiting it was raining. Around half of everyone knew the weather forecast and had an umbrella, including us.
They closed the voting place (library) down at 8pm sharp, and the cops told everyone in line to go home. We were probably 150~200 people back in line.
We all waited that long, even in the fucking rain, only to be ordered to leave?!
If it matters (which it probably does), our state doesn’t have early voting, you get one day to do it and that’s it.
Wait 2 goddamn hours, partly in the rain, only to get shut down with around 200 people or so waiting to vote?!
Sooo… I’ve never had a chance to see the inside of a voting facility. Not for lack of trying though.
I may not have voted, but I know for a fact I would never vote for the diaper.
By not voting at all, you cemented Trump’s victory.
You don’t get to say “well I wanted it to be different” now.
Do better next time. Do something next time.
No, I didn’t cement any victory, I literally said I didn’t vote. The voters cemented his victory, not me.
“I didn’t like either, so I did nothing” is such a bullshit excuse…
Like it or not, we have a two party system and this was the worst possible time for anyone to decide to do nothing. Non-voters are just as complicit in what’s going on now because they chose to do fuck all when it actually mattered… I hope the righteous objection through inaction was worth it, because people are dying as a result now.
Read my other comment, I tried in 2016, definitely wasn’t going to vote for orange. I never got to see the inside of the voting place.
After waiting around 2 hours, they shut down and cops ordered everyone remaining in line to leave at 8pm. There were probably around 200 people outside still waiting to vote…
You tried once, so you said fuck it this time…
You know mail-in, absentee, and provisional ballots are a thing, right?
Also, if you’re in line to vote and the polling place is set to close, you still have the right to cast your ballot, no matter how long it takes. They can turn new people away, but they can’t just close up and send people home if they’ve been waiting. If you were told to leave, those cops violated the law. And if they absolutely had to close, they’re required to give out provisional ballots. Know your rights dude.
Okay, good to know. Maybe I can sue the library and the cops and get to cast my 2016 vote, wouldn’t that be fucking nice if there was a time machine?
Like I said, we were in a line of probably around 200 people, and we were probably in place about 150 back towards the end of the line.
Everyone else ahead of us followed the orders first and left for their vehicles, we were towards the back of the line and were amongst the last to find out they closed as the cops ordered everyone to leave.
What the fuck you expect me to do, run around the block to get to the library door and beat on it? Get tackled and shot by cops?
You think I’m fucking stupid? If the 150 people ahead of me are complying with the cops, you think I’m gonna be the idiot to catch a bullet?
So when the Padres got knocked out of the World Series last year by the Dodgers I was pissed. I didn’t want to put my support behind a team I didn’t love heart and soul. I felt comfortable doing that because it was a fucking sport trophy that happens every year and not who decided who held the office of the fucking President of the United States. You’re getting downvoted because you’re treating those two scenarios as exactly the same.
I don’t care. You did this.
Drag every dumb American leftist that was here during the election claiming this exact thing, or that Harris’ support of Israel was too much and Trump wouldn’t do the same. Collaborationists one and all. May as well have given the order today.
You live with that now. And as it continues to get worse I sure hope someone in your life slaps the self-serving excuses right out of you so it dawns on you, because you will have to stew in this the rest of your life.
You are the enemy, just as much as the average noncommital fascist was in the mid-20th century. You are a cautionary tale for some kid studying history in a century, assuming we get to have kids studying history in a century despite your best attempts.
You sound like a toxic person. I am not your enemy, I am just an individual.
Oh, no, you’re not.
You’re a speck of the nameless hordes in a rogue superpower. A collaborationist in a fascist nuclear state.
You have zero relevance as an individual. You are, fundamentally, just a small part of a big problem.
I have no obligation to care about your “individuality”. I care about your victims. Which exist. You have real, human victims now. And I really hope if you’re being honest about your self-righteous denials throughout this thread, that it at least triggers some self-awareness about that.
There is something seriously wrong with you.
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Has it ever crossed anyone’s mind, that those of that didn’t vote, was usually because we didn’t approve of either candidate?
Christ, do they not teach the trolley problem anymore?
“Has it ever crossed anyone’s mind that I didn’t want the 5 guys on the main track or the 1 guy on the side track to die?”
Duh. That’s the point. You act and feel guilty about a small bad thing, or do nothing and feel guilty and a big bad thing. We got the big bad ending, feel guilty.
That theory works great in hindsight, but before the election the orange turd was promising to stop wars, not start them.
Sure we all know he’s a liar now, but before the election, going on their campaigns, how could anyone be sure which track would actually have more bodies in the future in that Trolley Problem.
You can’t predict the future, so that’s like presenting the Trolley Problem as if the switch is 10 miles before the tracks split.
What about his first term would convince you Trump wasn’t a liar?
Bruh. Everyone with an ounce of awareness knew he was a liar. Since the fucking 80s this was well known. Known then, known now.
This future was so predictable that it was outilned in back to the mf future.
Believing the campaign of Biff is not an out.
This isn’t some unknowable conundrum. And it’s not the trolley problem when you know damn well that who’s manning the switch will drift both tracks.
A third did not vote for him. The popular vote was something like 51 to 48, which is insanely close. And a record number of people didn’t even vote.
It’s more like 1/6 voted for the asshole, and then the dems gave up the win before the night even ended.
Not voting was tacitly supporting Trump.
Anybody who “didn’t even vote” is responsible for this. At least the 1/6 are trying to hide their guilt behind excuses. Eff all fascists, of course, but hey, at least that subsegment of them aren’t lying to themselves about it.
I voted for Kamala Harris. Never liked that orange fuck.
I hear you, the issue for me is that a third of your country people voted for the cunt, another third didn’t care enough not to vote against the cunt,
Okay I don’t think bombing Iran is a partisan issue in America. It’s more like a third supports this, half doesn’t care enough to act and the remaining sixth is too busy convincing itself that genocide is good if it’s the lesser evil. The guilt for this crosses party lines by a fair bit. I mean hell, the only vocal opposition to this is coming from people like MTG and Tucker Carlson, not anyone from the Dem political establishment.
That’s not relevant. The fact is this entire situation is developing this way because Trump is both extremely willing to go along with Israel and terrified of looking weak.
That he would give Bibi everything he wanted and make the situation worse was both known from his actions last time and a common warning to “the Dems are just as bad” delusional morons during the campaign, to their protests.
And now here we are. Delusional morons are still out there, still in denial and still entirely wrong.
Bombing Iran and letting Israel dictate American foreign policy are two things with strong bipartisan support.
Hillary Clinton campaigned in 2008 on the promise to bomb Iran. Biden couldnt even bring it over himself to enforce a demand for Israel to no starve Gaza to death and let Netanyahu humiliate him in public multiple times. And Biden/Clintons are the ultimate Democrats establishment.
A lot of people didn’t vote for him. A lot of people didn’t vote for democrat either. A growing number of people are voting for third parties now. Not enough to sway the vote, but enough to make a statement.
I think, in my lifetime, we will see a third party finally elected. The leading parties just aren’t cutting it anymore.
Yeah, the 3rd party voters are complicit in Trump’s actions, as are those who didn’t vote in protest.
When one candidate straight up says they’ll be a dictator on day one, anything but voting against them is supporting their actions.
Very clear explanation for xenophobia, no notes.
It’s also hard to leave. Many of us would leave if we had the means. Even for those who wish to stay and fight the blossoming authoritarianism must wage a nearly hopeless battle against powerful disinformation machines.
Yeah, no offense, but nobody cares about how you cope or whether you leave. This isn’t about you.
We’ll all pretty ok with you guys stewing in your own fascist soup. You made that bed. The concerning part is how it’s affecting everybody else. If this was entirely a you problem I would be much less worried.
This isn’t a US problem, and your nation is just as vulnerable to this.
It is.
But I’m not making it worse and we’ve staved it off so far.
So I will keep trying to not make it worse.
Which American leftist cosplayers spewing self-defeating, self-righteous maximalist crap to get Trump elected can’t say.
Trust me, I would much rather be dealing with their self-righteous crap than with Trump. But since we’re here, and since we tried to tell them, at least I can pop up to go “told you so” before I go back to blocking Americans and their nonsense from my feeds and try to survive their ongoing spiraling.
Sorry to anyone living in the fascist dictatorship that is the US. Its clear that youve lost your democracy.
Also sorry for all of the innocent civilians living in Iran which are about to go through hell thanks to Israel running off and crying to the US
Sorry to anyone living in the fascist dictatorship that is the US. Its clear that youve lost your democracy.
Its sad how much this sentence damages all democracys around the world. The fact these words have been made true is putins greatest victory. Putin aside, americans played a bigger role in giving up their liberty. That is even more disgusting.
Honestly though, despite all the protections put in place, it has taken just one person with no morals to ignore them all and as long as he and his cronies(lets not give him too much credit) stacked the other branches with his supporters he has been able to do whatever he wanted and its been very difficult to stop or reverse the damage.
Its quite shocking how much someone can hate a country whilst being in charge of it.
No… It didn’t just take one person…
It took years of planning, a carefully chosen selection supreme court justices and appointed individuals, a ton of media cooperation, billions of dollars, and half a voting population of gaslit idiots.
Don’t chalk this up to just Trump… At least half the nation is culpable in its own destruction.
Yes, it’s definitely our fault they rigged the election.
Cope
Cope with what? The growing evidence that the election was rigged? Trump straight up admitted it.
Cope with everything that lead up to the institution failing
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a video that Trump called him after the strikes: “It was a very warm conversation, very emotional.” Speaking in Hebrew, he called Trump a friend of Israel like no one before him.
https://apnews.com/live/israel-iran-war-updates#00000197-9582-d77f-a797-ffaf39a20000
Thanks guys, real glad we didn’t vote for that evil fascist Harris and paved the way for Mr. No New Wars…
It was very important for palistine.
We saved Palestine,
RedditLemmy!How’s that working out for them?
Palistine? Last I saw it was going to be a trump resort so…
Harris also loves Israel and hates Iran and seemed pretty warhawkish during her campaign
FUCK
Careful there, we all got a lot of “America invades middle eastern country” memes, there’s a surprising amount of themes to choose from.
Variety is rhe spice of life.
Hey now. We didn’t start THIS war. Israel did. We just immediately rubbed one out and then gleefully joined in.
So… most of the old memes will probably still work.
Sounds like some young people who haven’t been through this before. This is not going to lead to a war. The USA has been bombing other countries continuously for decades.
I mean, I dont see how it isnt a war already, this kind of thing is an act of war after all, and the other side doesnt have to be capable of equal retaliation for the term to apply.
It doesn’t really matter what you call it. W. and Obama normalized not declaring war on the countries you bomb. Unless the US plans to invade, it won’t be a war in the traditional sense of the word.
The US hasn’t declared war since 1942. It goes back way further than W or Obama.
what was declared during korea or vietnam?
Korea was a UN “police action” and Vietnam was a “conflict.”
Crucially, Congress did not formally declare war in either case, nor did they for the Gulf war, Afghanistan, Iraq, Grenada, etc.
A conflict.
Oh, so a war. Got it.
No, what it is is a war. What it is declared is whatever works best for the politicians. It’s semantics, but there were no declarations by any officials.
Korea was technically a UN peacekeeping effort. It was just led and mostly done by the US. Vietnam was just the US giving South Vietnam a “little” help. It was called a troop deployment.
Might be the toughest opponent we’ve bombed since Iraq, which technically wasn’t a declared war either.
You’re absolutely right, this won’t likely get bad for Americans. Being so far away with a huge military insulates us from the consequences of our actions abroad.
Almost like we are the baddies
Being so far away with a huge military insulates us from the consequences of our actions abroad.
Yeah, certainly. Only an utter imbecile would attempt symmetrical warfare with the U.S.
Asymmetric is the only way to go, and non-attributability would be the ideal.
yeah a lot of over reacting going on around here
…this is… war?.. you want troops on the ground? Careful what you wish for.
you want troops on the ground?
Genuinely don’t know what reality you’re living in if you are typing this question after reading my comment.
I believe their meaning was, ‘Do you have to see boots on the ground before you call it a war?’, not accusing you personally of wanting war.
Thank you for clarifying.
My only point with my original comment is that people are freaking out as though this is about to be Iraq War take 3. I see no evidence of that. It would require an invasion.
I mean how many dozens of times have we done something similar to this without anything becoming of it? Didn’t Trump literally assassinate an Iranian general during his last term?
Oh. So this is just Tuesday. I guess you should call Iran and tell them. They will be so relieved.
There is not enough alcohol on this planet to survive to the next election
There’s not going to be a next election. Democracy in the US died on January 20th.
America did not. The U.S./Donald Trump did.
Ok
Some people see it as pedantic but I’m always bothered when people say “America” when they actually mean the U.S. government. America is a nation, which IMO includes most Canadian citizens and a lot of Mexico (marked by a shared culture). So many bad people use mixing terms between nations and states to try and manifest consent or some shit.
I can be reasonable I’ll change it.
I think you mean America is not a nation, also besides north-america there is also south-america. You can argue as much as you want about about them being separate continents or not, they definitely share a name. I also talk about Americans when I mean people from US but if someone corrects me the only argument i have is that other people also do that.
Yes, France, the country, and France, the nation also share the same name.
There’s also the British Isles, Britain, and Great Britain.
Additionally, you might want to consider South Africa, South Africa, South Africa, and Africa. (Still all different things)
America in this case, I mean the nation which predominantly exists in North America and in the United States.
How very American to worry about the nightmare you’re enduring.
Please send us Americans your best “you don’t have healthcare but too many school shootings” memes
We’re going to need a shit ton more memes to distract americans from the nightmare they created
How are Americans enduring anything for a war halfway around the world? The defense sector is hiring.
“Defense” sector
