I swear, AI has put some people into some kind of looping thinking 24/7. Doesn’t matter what the image is, if it’s relatable or not, if it’s made by a computer then it’s bad. It could be an AI generated image containing complete, working instructions for making the cure for cancer, but it’s bad because it’s AI, because “AI is bad because AI is bad because AI is bad because AI is bad because-”
idk if this image is AI (i cannot tell), but AI image generators are, currently, unethical.
personally i don’t have a problem with the idea of AI image generation, I have a problem with companies taking artists’ images without them opting in to it, then attempting to “replace” artists with an algorithm that’s trained on stolen work. I also have a problem with the technology’s environmental impacts. i think this is a common sentiment.
edit: on further analysis, i’m around 70% sure this is AI-generated, due to the TVs looking the same while having a different art style, and due to the strange facial expression in the 2nd panel. also, in the 2nd panel, it would make more sense artistically for the character to be lying down while thinking that, showing that it can look the same on the outside.
I see nothing unethical about using AI, as long as you’re not making something that will put an artist out of work. But memes are completely ethical. You’re not going to hire an artist to create such a thing.
AI is created unethically, therefore choosing to use it while knowing how it is made and while knowing its environmental impacts is also unethical. You can choose to use AI, but you can’t deny that its use is unethical.
Then how about instead of crying “slop” whenever you catch a whiff of AI, you instead start calling for the creation of ethical generators? Ones that are trained on ethically sourced training materials?
AI is never going away. That is a fact. It’s too lucrative to just abandon. So rather than waste time and effort trying in vain to get rid of it, work to change it for the better.
I absolutely can deny that it’s unethical. In fact, you could argue that using an LLM for memes is not only morally neutral, but actually morally positive.
First, environmental concerns. Is there any evidence that it takes more energy to quickly generate a meme image than to draw it on a computer? That seems highly unlikely. You would have to power a computer for hours to produce such a drawing by hand. It almost certainly takes a tiny fraction of the energy to generate an image via an LLM than it would to generate it via computer drawing software. And even hand-drawing doesn’t escape this, as all the supplies you need also have high energy input requirements.
As to your other general ethics point, that’s superstitious mumbo jumbo. You’re arguing that an LLM is magically cursed because of how it was created. A tool can be created ethically or unethically, but something being created unethically doesn’t magically make its use unethical. The only potential issue is that if you’re funding the creation of the tool or giving the toolmaker money, you can provide a greater market for the creation of more unethical tools.
If anything, using the LLMs of the big AI companies to make memes is an absolute moral good. No one is going to pay OpenAI to make memes. Meme images cost the AI companies money to make but don’t provide them any revenue at all.
Every meme image made by AI is a small blow against these companies. It costs them money but generates them no revenue. But because apparently AI is magically cursed with evil, any use of it must also be evil.
This is religious thinking, not rational thinking.
First, environmental concerns. Is there any evidence that it takes more energy to quickly generate a meme image than to draw it on a computer? That seems highly unlikely. You would have to power a computer for hours to produce such a drawing by hand.
It doesn’t take hours to draw a meme image. Spending a few minutes using a meme template or drawing a quick meme will most certainly not use more energy than AI.
[…] but something being created unethically doesn’t magically make its use unethical.
Sounds like a philosophy problem to me. In my opinion, the use of something created unethically being unethical is a truth that we must accept, even if it’s hard to do so.
This is religious thinking, not rational thinking.
No, we just think differently.
Every meme image made by AI is a small blow against these companies. It costs them money but generates them no revenue. But because apparently AI is magically cursed with evil, any use of it must also be evil.
If nobody used AI image generation, these companies would not even exist, it would be the ultimate blow. So, logically, more people using their AI helps these companies long-term.
It even works in hindsight. I pointed out some cherished fan remaster of a TV show made years ago was machine learning processed, which apparently everyone forgot. I got banned from the fandom subreddit for the no AI rule.
The ironic thing is this works in corpo AI slop’s favor, as anti-AI sentiment hurt locally runnable, open weight models and earnest efforts more than anything.
containing complete, working instructions for making the cure for cancer
Did it contain it once? Or did it ever contained exclusively mindless slop mangled together from bits of stolen art, carefuly put together to be simultaneously as unsettling, as unappealing, and as insultingly bland as possible?
You out there defending shrimp Jesuses as if there is any merit in copypasting it ever. You had to invent a scenario that never happened and can’t possibly happen, to paint us as unreasonable, meanwhile all that “your side” produces is exclusively derivative slop that costs precious resources to make while removing value from the world.
It’s not that we hate on perfectly good images because it’s made by computer, we hate on offensively terrible images flooding our world. The fact that you can shortcut it to just hating generators is our point actually
I swear, AI has put some people into some kind of looping thinking 24/7. Doesn’t matter what the image is, if it’s relatable or not, if it’s made by a computer then it’s bad. It could be an AI generated image containing complete, working instructions for making the cure for cancer, but it’s bad because it’s AI, because “AI is bad because AI is bad because AI is bad because AI is bad because-”
idk if this image is AI (i cannot tell), but AI image generators are, currently, unethical.
personally i don’t have a problem with the idea of AI image generation, I have a problem with companies taking artists’ images without them opting in to it, then attempting to “replace” artists with an algorithm that’s trained on stolen work. I also have a problem with the technology’s environmental impacts. i think this is a common sentiment.
edit: on further analysis, i’m around 70% sure this is AI-generated, due to the TVs looking the same while having a different art style, and due to the strange facial expression in the 2nd panel. also, in the 2nd panel, it would make more sense artistically for the character to be lying down while thinking that, showing that it can look the same on the outside.
I see nothing unethical about using AI, as long as you’re not making something that will put an artist out of work. But memes are completely ethical. You’re not going to hire an artist to create such a thing.
AI is created unethically, therefore choosing to use it while knowing how it is made and while knowing its environmental impacts is also unethical. You can choose to use AI, but you can’t deny that its use is unethical.
Then how about instead of crying “slop” whenever you catch a whiff of AI, you instead start calling for the creation of ethical generators? Ones that are trained on ethically sourced training materials?
AI is never going away. That is a fact. It’s too lucrative to just abandon. So rather than waste time and effort trying in vain to get rid of it, work to change it for the better.
I absolutely can deny that it’s unethical. In fact, you could argue that using an LLM for memes is not only morally neutral, but actually morally positive.
First, environmental concerns. Is there any evidence that it takes more energy to quickly generate a meme image than to draw it on a computer? That seems highly unlikely. You would have to power a computer for hours to produce such a drawing by hand. It almost certainly takes a tiny fraction of the energy to generate an image via an LLM than it would to generate it via computer drawing software. And even hand-drawing doesn’t escape this, as all the supplies you need also have high energy input requirements.
As to your other general ethics point, that’s superstitious mumbo jumbo. You’re arguing that an LLM is magically cursed because of how it was created. A tool can be created ethically or unethically, but something being created unethically doesn’t magically make its use unethical. The only potential issue is that if you’re funding the creation of the tool or giving the toolmaker money, you can provide a greater market for the creation of more unethical tools.
If anything, using the LLMs of the big AI companies to make memes is an absolute moral good. No one is going to pay OpenAI to make memes. Meme images cost the AI companies money to make but don’t provide them any revenue at all.
Every meme image made by AI is a small blow against these companies. It costs them money but generates them no revenue. But because apparently AI is magically cursed with evil, any use of it must also be evil.
This is religious thinking, not rational thinking.
It doesn’t take hours to draw a meme image. Spending a few minutes using a meme template or drawing a quick meme will most certainly not use more energy than AI.
Sounds like a philosophy problem to me. In my opinion, the use of something created unethically being unethical is a truth that we must accept, even if it’s hard to do so.
No, we just think differently.
If nobody used AI image generation, these companies would not even exist, it would be the ultimate blow. So, logically, more people using their AI helps these companies long-term.
It’s politicized.
It even works in hindsight. I pointed out some cherished fan remaster of a TV show made years ago was machine learning processed, which apparently everyone forgot. I got banned from the fandom subreddit for the no AI rule.
The ironic thing is this works in corpo AI slop’s favor, as anti-AI sentiment hurt locally runnable, open weight models and earnest efforts more than anything.
Did it contain it once? Or did it ever contained exclusively mindless slop mangled together from bits of stolen art, carefuly put together to be simultaneously as unsettling, as unappealing, and as insultingly bland as possible?
You out there defending shrimp Jesuses as if there is any merit in copypasting it ever. You had to invent a scenario that never happened and can’t possibly happen, to paint us as unreasonable, meanwhile all that “your side” produces is exclusively derivative slop that costs precious resources to make while removing value from the world.
It’s not that we hate on perfectly good images because it’s made by computer, we hate on offensively terrible images flooding our world. The fact that you can shortcut it to just hating generators is our point actually
Yeah seriously it’s so fucking annoying. I wish Lemmy would just shut the fuck up about AI already. The AI haters are more annoying than the tankies.