It’s honestly baffling to see people actively support Gaza whilst simultaneously supporting Israel as a serious international partner.
The amount of times I’ve read “Yeah but the dems will never drop Israel because they’re a key aly” without questioning why they’re a key aly is too damn high lol.
If only it was like that, and not harassing people for not being leftists 10+ years ago…
broadly gestures at the million leftist communities that believe basically the same things but also would kill each other given the chance
I mean I hate to be critical on a comm that doesn’t seem meant for it and I’m already in the middle of one longwinded discussion with folks in another part of lemmy so I dont want another one, but like…
We also love purity testing our fellow leftists, and all kinds of people who absolutely pass the test of being nazis 😅. I think we’re kinda horrible at accepting even minor differences in political thought
The point here is supporting genocide or not. You can have this discussion about other things. But you could probably have left this comment unposted in this context.
Yeah this is a problem with the left. So many splintered factions just within communism, within socialism, within the more leftist forms of anarchism, itd be nice if we could get along long enough to get a win in every once in a while.
Politics is simply anything to do with decision making in groups. We should celebrate our differences. We need each other, as long as there’s tolerance. The flexibility allows us to meet new challenges. New ideas keep us fresh and nimble and helps us catch those who fall through the net. Authoritarianism, including Nazism is nigh impossible to collaborate with. We come from the wild, we are not meant for boxes. Living things cannot thrive while contained. While our differences are our greatest strength, our enemies will exploit it and try to divide us with it.
https://itsgoingdown.org/announcing-new-zine-red-flags-before-you-join-that-org/
I mean, it can be effective. It works for the GOP: you basically can’t get elected as a Republican if you’re not anti-abortion or if you want to raise taxes, and thanks to those purity tests, every time they get in power they take steps towards those goals.
With the ‘big tent’ Democrats all you get is basically a small rollback on the worst excesses of the previous Republican president (to the point where you really can’t call them ‘left’ in any serious way).
LOOOOL so fucking true.
Okay but you cannot possibly expect me to read all that to pretend im a good person when i can just go do some hot yoga or order a smoothie for lunch.
This is why nobody likes you damn dirty commies.
Is sending the entire race of uyghurs to a concentration camp ethnic cleansing?
Yes, obviously is it. The PRC has done, and continues to do, bad things. The racist imperialism in Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, Tibet, as well as Guizhou, Yunnan, and Guangxi is bad and should be denounced.
Now, what’s your actual point?
The actions of the PRC do not excuse, and are less genocidal than what is Israel is doing with US support in Palestine, or the attacks on indigenous people in South America and India, taking place due to capitalist expansion (Or indeed the killings and destruction brought about by capitalist expansion of the PRC in Myanmar and Laos).
Hell, if the state of the US keeps up the way LGBT people are treated in the US will become more genocidal than the PRC’s treatment of ethnic minorities. The way the US has treated American Indians may not be quite as culturally corrosive right now, but that’s because the destroy their culture and get rid of the intellectual who speak out part has thankfully, grown less severe over the last 80 years (in part because it had been felt a success by those who wanted to force Indians to integrate and assimilate (read: sinicise (read: be culturally destroyed)).My point is to expose the hypocrites, who only use the genocide as a talking point when its convenient vs the people who actually have morals.
If youre willing to call it genocide, im not criticising you
You certainly picked a doozy of an example, as I think I only ever see it mentioned by people trying to drum up China hate - who usually go on to ignore Palestine, India, Brazil, and I’m sure many ethnic cleansing cases I’m forgetting.
Oh thats interestng can you point out an example?
Ive never seen that, but I do see tankies constantly not care about genocides in china and only seem to care about it happening in other countries.
Tankies are very good at ignoring anything even possibly non-ideal in the PRC and USSR (and sometimes even Russia too!).
I’ll try to remember to link it in a new reply to you next time I stumble across it being used in order to deflect from the US or draw criticism to China over the topic at hand.
Holy shit. Shut the fuck up. We don’t live in China during the 2010s. People can care about an active genocide supported by their tax dollars and elected politicians and not be hypocrites for not mentioning “China bad” before every post.
Are Uyghur people a “race” now?
Since when?
“They’re a Turkic ethnicity.”
Does that phrasing pass muster?
Sure.
I guess it must be hard for people who were raised from birth to only view the world through the lens of race to distinguish between the two, eh?
Seeing as "race" is a social construct, and the word is generally synonymous with "ethnicity" in common parlance...
Congrats for coming up with a purity test, I guess?
Sorry… what?
Edited for clarity.
Race is a social construct.
The word “race (n.)” is used as a synonym of "ethnicity (n.) in many people’s everyday speech.
Hello grammar police? there is an ethnic cleansing going on maybe like read a wikipedia article abouit it or something!
People’s conception of “race” says a lot… what do you think yours says about you?
What does it say about me? Youre walking past genocide to argue semantics, I think that says a lot about you
Let me take a wild guess - you only care about genocide when your white supremacist friends tells you it’s a genocide, right?
Howzabout that (supposed) genocide taking place in South Africa, eh? I bet you like talking about that one, too.