Example: I believe that IP is a direct contradiction of nature, sacrificing the advancement of humanity and the world for selfish gain, and therefore is sinful.
Edit: pls do not downvote the comments this is a constructive discussion
Edit2: IP= intellectal property
Edit3: sort by controversal
Eating and using animals when there is a plant-based alternative is wrong and should not be done.
Ok so genuine question (and also my odd moral I guess?) why is eating a plant more moral than eating an animal? They’re both equally alive and subsequently equally dead. Sure plants don’t have a nervous system but they do react to harmful stimuli in a way somewhat analagous to a pain response. The only real difference appears to be that we can relate to animals more.
Eat plants: plants die
Eat animals: animals have to eat a bunch of plants first meaning way more plants die and also animals die
Plants don’t have an agent that feels negative or positive feelings. Its stimulus-response system starts and stops at that. Animals on the other hand can experience suffering and pleasure, and and it’s morally wrong to inflict the first and deny the second
this is only true under a limited set of moral beliefs. most people aren’t utilitarians though
you can’t prove that
I also can’t prove that you have one. It’s not a standard we operate under.
so it’s probably not a good basis for making moral decisions
It is. You’re already doing it, otherwise you will be having zero problems with killing and eating random humans. You just put your line at believing that humans have agency, even though you just as much can’t prove that.
We have pretty good understanding of how biological organisms operate at this point. We don’t need to spend generations on disproving solipsism anymore.
you’re projecting.
no, that’s not the basis of my moral decisions
Would you say that cutting a carrot is equal to cut the throat of a cow?
Plants do not have a central nervous system or a brain so they are not able to feel pain or emotions. Animals can feel, dream, have friends, same as we do. Just not as complex.
If that’s the litmus test, then there are certainly animals that aren’t sentient and don’t meet those requirements. Is it OK to eat animals that do not have brains?
you can’t prove that
You are also denying oxygen to those cows
Actually, (correct me if i’m wrong) carrots are not dead until you boil/cook them.
I love poking holes in people’s analogies without addressing their points.
Plant-basee alternatives are such a joke to me.Plant based meats and alternative milks are built upon an infrastructure that demands massive resource extraction from third world countries, buttressed by an impoverished underclass that suffers generational trauma to feed the transactional corporate machine. Just don’t eat meat; veggies, fruit, and legumes are all you need.
Why?
Why not?
most people don’t believe that. I think it’s fair to ask for some justification
I’m genuinely asking. People approach this topic from different sides, and I want to understand.
We’ve been doing this for ages, actually we evolved eating meat.
We slaved colored people for ages. Woman had much less rights back in the days. We lived in caves for decades. Etc.
Just because we have been doing something for a very long time and it is socially accepted does not automatically make it right.
They are correct though, don’t vegans have to take suppliments to fill in on things missing from their diet? Maybe eating less meat can be a goal for humanity, but I think we still need some until lab/fake meat is yummy enough.
Edit: now i think of it, suppliments are available so maybe my comment doesnt matter.
If you are thinking about B-12, that is already artificially added to meat products too. So even people who eat meat aren’t getting it the “natural” way. Now there are available plant milks fortified with it which does the same thing.
Yes, vegans should monitor their health more closely to make sure nothing is missing, but it wouldn’t be particularly difficult to get everything you need from plant based sources.
And actual milk fortified with it.
comparing women to animals is what misogynists do. comparing colored people to animals is what slavers do.
I’m not a vegan, but that’s not what they’re saying at all.
They are comparing slavery and misogeny to the killing of animals, not the animals themselves.