• mostlikelyaperson@lemmy.world
    171·
    3 hours ago

    What - doesn’t - support webp at this point? P much all maintained open source software has for years upon years, os x has for years, Android and iOS have for ages as well, even windows added support a year ago or so supposedly.

    Like are these memes made by confused time travelers?

  • qaz@lemmy.worldEnglish
    353·
    5 hours ago

    I really don’t get the WebP hate, it’s a good format. It’s better than PNG and JPG.

    • Laser@feddit.org
      191·
      3 hours ago

      Though you couldn’t set the bar any lower without it turning into a joke.

      Anyhow, to quote Wikipedia:

      Comparing different encodings (JPEG, x264, and WebP) of a reference image, she stated that the quality of the WebP-encoded result was the worst of the three, mostly because of blurriness on the image. […] In October 2013, Josh Aas from Mozilla Research published a comprehensive study of current lossy encoding techniques and was not able to conclude that WebP outperformed JPEG by any significant margin

      All while having significantly increased complexity. The blurriness problem was inherited from the video codec webp was based on. When you can’t beat an 18 years old format, don’t be surprised when people get irritated when you use your position to get it mandated into a standard, while later stalling actual improvements (JPEG XL).

      • lemmyknow@lemmy.today
        1·
        47 minutes ago

        Is JXL in actual use? Is it supported? I reckon it’s quite new, innit? D’you happen to.know how it compares to its peers?

        • Laser@feddit.org
          1·
          23 minutes ago

          It’s not supported by either Chromium or Firefox, which is part of the issue (Google basically decided against it with arguments that are much better suited against WebP, which they pushed some years ago).

          There aren’t that many static image codec comparisons, for example there is https://giannirosato.com/blog/post/image-comparison/. https://afontenot.github.io/image-formats-comparison/ doesn’t even include WebP because the test suite uses features unsupported by it (YUV 4:4:4). In the ones I do find, WebP usually wins against good JPEG at low bitrates, but loses on high bitrates because of the blurriness issue. They both get beaten by JPEG XL and AVIF. Which one is better probably depends on whom you ask. The before linked comparison prefers JPEG XL by a slim margin, https://tonisagrista.com/blog/2023/jpegxl-vs-avif/ strongly favors JPEG XL.

    • Dr. Moose@lemmy.worldEnglish
      101·
      4 hours ago

      It’s just tech illiterate being “oh no my image program not open this 10 year old new format”

  • Korhaka@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    81·
    3 hours ago

    Webp can be lossy or lossless though, and what kind of shitty apps are you using that don’t support it?

  • Rose@slrpnk.net
    6·
    4 hours ago

    Someone remarked that in film photography, every 10 years, Kodak used to get the brilliant idea that 35mm film is just too complicated for Your Average Consumer, and invented a new “easy to load” cartridge based film format. 126 Instamatic in the 1960s, 110 Pocket Instamatic in the 1970s, Disc Film in the 1980s and the APS in the 1990s. …Meanwhile, Your Average Consumer didn’t give much damn, and while these formats saw some use, most people preferred 35mm.

    Same goes with image formats. Apple and Google and Microsoft try to make “better” file formats happen, and I’m sure they have their advantages, but people will stick with JPEG, thanks.

    • tiramichu@sh.itjust.works
      2·
      3 hours ago

      It’s not “people” who are causing the proliferation of formats like webp though, it’s the web industry.

      If you are a web platform, you want a format that gives you acceptable quality for the smallest size to reduce your bandwidth. You also want one that loads as fast as possible from a CPU prospective, so your site renders as fast as possible.

      These are factors webp was designed for.

      To your point, for home users jpeg remains a good-enough choice with no reason to change it. A preferred choice even, due to broad legacy compatibility. But we aren’t seeing proliferation of webp because people are at home willingly going “file -> export as -> webp” - no, we’re seeing it because industry is converting uploads to it, and people are saving those images.

    • mojofrododojo@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      4 hours ago

      most people preferred 35mm

      an easy choice when you consider disc cameras had terrible resolution; the instamatic at least had 35mm frames and were tremendously popular with non-photographers - think the cop that needs to take a picture of some trash - for a decade +…

      and there was just so much 35mm gear available everywhere. a friend has 2 entire nikon kits from his dad’s tour in vietnam, with some classic telephoto and specialty lenses and filters, he bought it on a lark while visiting singapore on leave.

    • Jean-luc Peak-hard@piefed.socialEnglish
      331·
      7 hours ago

      its interesting to me that this is only really an issue on proprietary OS’s (mac/windows) as i’ve never had an issue with any image or video formats when using linux. i use all three but linux is my primary OS. mac/windows mostly stay at work.

      • guynamedzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        61·
        4 hours ago

        I grew up on macOS, until a few years ago where I actually had my own personal computer for the first time, which had windows pre installed, so i used that and like it a lot more than macOS, i just felt so much more free, and the general workflow felt more intuitive to me, then, early this year, i switched to Linux and there’s no way in hell I’ll ever go back. In just a couple months I learned more about how computers worked than I did over something like 12 years of using computers as a teen. It’s really crazy to me how once you get something set up on Linux, it just works, and all of the documentation is open and detailed!

        • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
          2·
          29 minutes ago

          While all of that is true, the thing is that most people just don’t care. They just use two or three programs (poorly) and don’t really care about the underlying system, never mind the computer. That’s why windows is so entrenched.

    • reddig33@lemmy.worldEnglish
      31·
      8 hours ago

      DAT and DDC were great as well. Beta too. But sometimes good enough (like JPG and VHS) is good enough.

  • Ⓜ3️⃣3️⃣ 🌌@lemmy.zip
    41·
    5 hours ago

    Funny as almost all image will end up showing in a small rectangle on a small phone screen.

    It could be RAW, WMF or WEBP most humans couldn’t care less when it just works. 😜

  • Psythik@lemmy.world
    27·
    8 hours ago

    For me it’s HEIF. I love it because it’s smaller and higher quality than JPEG, but literally nothing supports this format. It’s annoying that I have to convert to JPEG or PNG to do anything with my images. Luckily HEVC seems to get more support on the video end of things.

  • Eager Eagle@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1544·
    12 hours ago

    webp is a fine format, blame the websites that disallow webp upload, but then proceed to convert the image to webp anyway

    • KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      29·
      10 hours ago

      Cloudflare zero trust apps allow webp images on initial creation, then arbitrarily disallow webp on edit. You can’t edit until you replace the image you already uploaded, and the system accepted.