So like it says in the title. I’m looking to make a change. The only coding I ever did was like, some very light HTML on stuff like LiveJournal 20 years ago (because I’m ancient in internet years, haha) and even that I barely remember.
I’ve seen people talk about LinuxMint in other comment sections and how that one might be closest to something like Windows (in that a layman like myself can use it out of the box like buying a new laptop from Best Buy or whatever store). Is that actually a good one or is there something better for somebody like me?
I’ve seen enough people go ‘NO UBUNTU!!!’ to steer me away from that one, but otherwise I have no clue what would actually be good for somebody in my shoes.
I have a laptop that still technically runs Windows 8 that I just use for downloads so I’d be trying it on there so that if something goes wonky I’m not fucked. After looking at the LinuxMint website, the specs on that laptop meet the requirements for it.
Thanks so much!
Mint is a good option, yeah. Should feel familiar if you’re coming from windows.
Note that coding experience isn’t really relevant. Only the most advanced users ever really need to write code for their system. 99% of linux users, including the experienced and power users, don’t have to regularly code, per se. Note that I’m referring to actually writing programs, not terminal use. Using a terminal isn’t coding but that may be what you were thinking of, it’s similar but imo not the same. If you wanna do more advances stuff, you’ll definitely want to learn the terminal, but for most stuff you’ll get by just fine with GUIs like you’re probably used to. Mint is particularly good at keeping stuff to GUIs.
Something to note: coming from windows, you’ll be used to getting programs by finding downloads on the internet. On linux, that’s generally best avoided - you should always look on your distro’s package manager first. On mint is believe it’s called something like “software center” or “software manager,” can’t remember off the top of my head but it will be preinstalled for you.
Why would it be an issue to download a program if it’s not for Windows or Mac? So long as there’s a Linux-based option that works with your version, that is. There is one program I use multiple times a week that I doubt would be on any basic install package and the only place to find it is online. (Not an issue for the computer I’ll be trying it out on as it’s not my main, but if I find a version of Linux I like a put it on my main then it’s something I’d have to consider.)
It’s not necessarily a problem, it just shouldn’t be the first thing you try. On windows people are used to always downloading the program directly from the internet first thing, but on linux you’ll have a better time if you check the package manager and/or flathub first for programs. Then, if it’s not there, then yeah download direct from the internet.
Mint is good. It might be worth trying a few different desktop environments to see what you like - you can probably run all of the major ones from a LiveBoot device.
BUT, and this is VERY important, ypu do not need to do any programming or coding on a Linux desktop. Ever.
If you’re not a programmer then you are never forced to peel that onion. You can do EVERYTHING from a GUI if you want.
You’ll lose the ability to run some games and software, but between alternatives and emulation, that list is getting smaller.
You can do EVERYTHING from a GUI if you want.
Until you run into any sort of problem and all the solutions you can find are “do this command that i won’t explain and that and paste this cryptic series of letters here and this there and chant this unspeakable spell to summon dread cthulhu and then run this command with these arguments. it’s very human design.”
Using the command prompt is not coding. You sometimes need to use the command prompt in Windows to solve certain problems, the terminal in Linux is just easier to use and more powerful so it’s often an easier way to solve problems or get information.
Also, they’re all explained, you just don’t care to read the explanations. One of the best things about the Linux terminal is that most commands have exhaustive and clear documentation.
The command prompt is not a GUI.
I WOULD have cared to read the explanations, there just weren’t any or they sent me down a billion rabbit holes. Just yesterday in fact I did try Linux Mint (after having tried various Linux distributions over the years, ending in confusion every time). I hate (HATE) just following instructions without knowing why I’m doing what I’m doing so I tried very hard to understand every step. It was nothing but frustrating because my earlier post is only a slight exaggeration.
I relate. There’s a lot of people on Lemmy that feel Linux is better in every way over MacOS or Windows and it’s simply not true. I’m following some vague instructions right now to bring a device up-to-date that appear to be re-compiling kernel unexpectedly. I just wanted my display to rotate correctly, and be able to play some games.
(sorry, rant incoming)
See, I’d be absolutely willing to learn that Linux is indeed “better” than Windows (in fact, I do suspect it probably is - once you know your way around it). What annoys me absolutely endlessly is how people go on and on about how eeeeasy it all is and modern distros are juuuust like your current OS, really, and there’s absolutely zero need to be intimidated because it’s all so very intuitive and you can’t do anything wrong*! It isn’t easy. And it doesn’t have to be easy, I’d be okay with looking shit up - if explanations and guides didn’t assume you already know your way around the OS (“do cryptic thing xYz, duh”), if they weren’t out of date because they were published an entire month ago and if people didn’t pretend.
* I almost broke my display tablet in my Mint experiment because while trying to get the driver to work, I followed a guide that explained nothing (so for every step I looked up another guide which lead to another guide to another guide to another guide…). No I don’t know what went wrong because I don’t know what the guide was making me do. Luckily, I’m tech savvy enough to fix it on my own - under Windows.
Edit, 3 days later: lolnope trying to get the thing running under Mint did break the tablet, I just thought it was fixed, but the problem is more serious. Brilliant.
Thank god I’m not the only one. I was convinced it was me! i used Mint for two months, and when everything works it’s good, but the second you encounter a problem it becomes a nightmare.
It’s been great for standard use, but yeah some things just get weird sometimes in every OS. 2 mint cinnamon OS’s acted different, over and over with power and lid settings. pop-os had stupid shit with an old laptop that no matter what I did the airplane mode would enable when you opened the screen, not closed. I use RustDesk for remote access across my machines and phone, where you install from matters, if you install from the software manager their website or the flatpack… You will have different results/features. Run your own server for it, now the docker container is continuously restarting. Fix that and my file server, jellyfin server, Pihole server, or something else is doing something wonky. It’s 100% my fault I’m trying to run to much off of one device, but once I get it all working I say hmm… What if I try to run a Piefed instance off of it, and realize no matter how I run the reverse proxy the incoming ports may have overlap. So I need to divide things up more.
Using the command prompt is not coding.
Ackshually, whenever you write something into the command prompt and it works, you’re writing valid Bash (or whatever shell you’re using) code. Bash is a programming language, so technically you are coding.
For example, try typing the following into a terminal:
for ((i = 0; i < 10; i++)); do echo $i; doneYou just counted to nine using a loop and a variable!
Commands are usually just easier ways of doing the thing, so that is usually what is told to people with problems.
Like you can browse through 5 menus and find the thing or paste the command and be done. If you don’t want to paste the command, then just look through settings/menus.
Cool, I’m not against that. It’s just the opposite of beginner-friendly.
Like you can browse through 5 menus and find the thing
I sure would’ve appreciated a guide on how to do that for, I don’t know, something so exotic und unusual like installing my tablet driver, just to get the thing working. So that next time I can find things on my own, learn the structure of the system by exploring stuff and see what else there is, instead of just mindlessly copy pasting some command. Efficiency in doing things can come later, after I’m settled in.
You don’t need to know how to code to use Linux. It helps to know how to use the terminal, but you don’t even really need to know that anymore either.
Mint is a great choice. Fedora is another great choice, and it’s what I use. IMHO, Cinnamon (Mint) and KDE are easier to use coming from Windows than Gnome (Fedora). So yeah, I’d agree with the sentiments you’ve read and cited in your post. You can also use Cinnamon or KDE on Fedora if you like though.
Agree with everything you’re saying. I’m using Mint for a year now and never had to open the terminal. It’s a great distro.
I think the Ubuntu haters are overly enthusiastic. It’s perfectly fine. Actually pretty good.
Mint is extremely popular as a recommendation for good reasons as well.
Both have excellent support communities, which is important. Linux in general has become a lot more “plug and play” in recent years, meaning that it will do more of what you want right out of the box. In all likelihood, you will want to do something with it that requires help, so having a robust community makes a big difference.
First and foremost, you don’t have to stay on the distro you start with. You can try a few, spend a week running it, and then reinstall with something else. Distro hopping is the process if changing distro frequently and is in my opinion a very useful start for learning Linux.
Second, Ubuntu is a perfectly fine distro. I don’t like or use it, but I also don’t really like chocolate but love licorice, it really is a matter of preference. If you never try it you will never know if it is good for you.
I think the best path would be to either use virtual machines on your main system or try a few distros out on your Windows 8 machine. I would recommend trying a few of the most popular distros including Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, EndeavourOS, elementary, and maybe Pop!OS. That should cover most of the different desktop environments, packaging systems, and overall design methodologies and give you a really rounded sense of what is out there. It should also give you opportunities to have things break a little and for you to try to solve those problems. I find that different distros present failures a little differently and their solutions also work differently, so finding one that works well for you is key.
I personally ended up switching from a vanilla Arch install to EndeavourOS a year or two ago because it had great sane defaults, good packaging, and fantastic performance. The clarity of the logs was better in my mind than what was available in Ubuntu based distros and while I love Arch it was a bit too demanding of my time to figure out each and every choice of package. EndeavourOS gave me good solid defaults and reduced my work load.
Just remember, your choice of distro is like your choice of underwear. You have to wear it, make it comfortable for you and your junk, not for someone else’s.
The sound of virtual machines on my main doesn’t sit well with me. If I do something and brick my main laptop I’m fucked and I can’t replace it and some of the programs I use won’t run at all/run well on my old Windows 8 machine because it doesn’t have the processing power. (I got a gaming laptop so I could have the video processing I needed for video editors to not take a day to render a 15min video on Windows 10, never mind and older Windows 8 laptop. sigh) Experimentation and tech FAFO’ing will happen on the Windows 8! lol
I’ve seen Pop!OS come up in a few comments here, so if I don’t end up liking Mint maybe I’ll try that one out next. :)
I would ask how many times you have bricked your Windows machines in the past? That said, if you did stop it from booting it would be the same as it not booting a native Linux install.
That said, I would recommend installing first on the older machine. New life for that machine will feel good and it is very low risk. Once you have done a few installs and not botched anything too badly you could give it a go on your new machine. I find the performance boost from using Linux over Window is enough to out weight significant hardware differences most of the time.
A Windows computer I had got massively fucked once like, 15ish years ago. No idea what happened. No new downloads or installs, I hadn’t done anything different from any computer I’ve had before or since, just one day it stopped and it wasn’t even that old, two years tops. Not a custom build, straight outta the box from Best Buy (maybe even Future Shop it was so long ago). My friend couldn’t tell me what happened when they figured out how to get it at least booting up again. Only time it’s happened. It was weeeeeeeiiiiird.
Glad to know about the performance boost. :)
Yeah, I’ve had bad random things happen with tech, only with systems that are closed though. When they are more open you can get logs, see what is happening, and eventually modify things until they work again. I had a phone that just wouldn’t stay online for more than 5 minutes if the screen turned off. Screen on, internet working just fine. Screen off for 4 minutes, perfectly happy most of the time. Then suddenly around 5 minutes it would just die. It was running Android so I could see some stuff but I simply couldn’t get the information I needed to figure it out. Linux is much more forgiving with logs and such giving actual error messages which with a simple copy paste can get you to a reasonable next step.
Linux mint is a good compatible baseline yes.
The only coding I ever did was like, some very light HTML on stuff like LiveJournal 20 years ago (because I’m ancient in internet years, haha) and even that I barely remember.
Hi,
Fear not: I switched to Mint when I was already in my 50s… and before that I had been a lifelong Apple user (got my first Apple computer back in the early 80s).
I tried a few distro before settling on Mint and the only reason I picked it up was because, back then at least, it was the only one that would let me use my… Airpods, seriously. Fast forward a few years, to this very day, and you can be assured I would not want to go back to Apple. And I still am using Mint, as I never had any issue with it, not a single one (beside me doing stupid things, but hey that’s how one learns :p). It works perfectly well for me.
Not saying that as way to push you to use Mint. I mean, like others have already suggested there are plenty excellent GNU/Linux available and Mint is just one of them, but to let you know there is no need to be an expert in order to use it.
BTW, Mint is based upon Ubuntu (which is based upon Debian), the hate towards Ubuntu is because they force certain tools/choice onto their users which, unlike with Apple or Microsoft, is not something a lot of people in the Free Software world will agree with (I certainly don’t, as that’s the main reason I quit using Apple ;). Ubuntu is still an excellent distribution, just their policy doesn’t sit well with the freedom & choice Linux is supposed to be promoting.
Mint is a great starting point. I might also recommend having a look at KDE (the desktop environment) which will feel very familiar coming from windows and is available on quite a few distributions. I use it with OpenSUSE Tumbleweed - less beginner friendly than Mint, but still an ok plafe to start.
Yes. I main Mint in my laptop, and it’s been my go-to for general purpose use (gaming included) for the past 10-15 years. On servers I prefer other distros, but Mint has consistently been the one that works best out of the box in a laptop desktop environment.
My 80+ year old mom has been using Debian for over 2 decades now. She is very much not a coder. Just pick whatever distro and try it out, as others have said.
Pop! OS is also a good beginner distro.
I found the software manager to be much nicer in Mint than Pop, so if someone is looking for GUI preference, I could understand the lean towards Mint
I’ll go against the grain here and suggest Kubuntu. It’s an official variant of Ubuntu which swaps out the GNOME desktop environment for KDE Plasma. KDE feels much more Windows-like than GNOME, so it’s a great migration option for Windows users.
KDE also really focuses on creating a cohesive desktop environment, much more than other DEs. There are over 200 applications built specifically for KDE (https://apps.kde.org/) which try to maintain a common look and feel. You can of course run any Linux application on KDE, but there’s something quite nice about having applications built specifically with the DE in mind.
I run immutable Fedora distros (Bluefin, Bazzite) and they are the most stable distros I’ve ever used. Immutable distros restrict writing to sensitive parts of the OS so you’re less likely to break things. You’ll mostly install Flatpaks which looks pretty similar to using the Windows app store.
I’ve seen some people say that immutable distros aren’t good for beginners. I’m really not sure why. My best guess is because they’re not the norm and you might run into support issues if things do go wrong.
If all of that sounds too scary then Linux Mint is a good choice. Never used PopOS myself but I hear that’s a good starter OS too.
Ubuntu or mint is a good beginners choice.
Once you get annoyed with snap packages or something else you can change it.
Linux Mint is a solid place to start I’d say.
Ubuntu/Canonical has…issues to say the least.
- A primary concern being the ever eternal cursed Snap packages.
- Second being the replacement of existing tools with Rust alternatives without the proper FOSS licenses, so Ubuntu becomes less reciprocal over time and more proprietary over time.
anyways, choosing Linux Mint is a great place to start🤗👍 and I say this as someone that’s tried:
- Ubuntu Server
- Raspberry Pi OS
- Linux Mint
- Arch Linux
- NixOS
- Kali Linux
Does it even matter that it’s Mint in particular? I’ve never used mint, but isn’t the DE (or WM if you abhor DEs) more important? They all come with a package manager. And it’s pretty much all the same from there.
Except maybe Nix, from what I’ve heard
Does it even matter that it’s Mint in particular?
Yes somewhat because the devs of Linux Mint has created a reputable high quality First User’s Experience to Linux setup.
I’ve never used mint, but isn’t the DE (or WM if you abhor DEs) more important?
Somewhat yes but it’s mostly the combination of all the ingredients that can make or break the lasagna dish.
If we’re comparing the DEs with each other than Plasma would win hands down over Cinnamon but for introductory users looking to switch from Windows or Macs to Linux than DEs are less likely to be an immediate concern.
They all come with a package manager.
Linux Mint would use the APT package manager which is good for beginners as you’d be able to use the same troubleshooting steps as Ubuntu or Debian.
Except maybe Nix, from what I’ve heard
NixOS is complicated to say the least, in which I’ve previously discussed here
