I dunno, DUI is serious, you could kill someone. Maybe it is a long and expensive process to make sure people will remember it and not drive while being drunk?
Looking at their rules for it, it actually seems kinda fucked: One bad choice years ago bars you for life unless you are wealthy enough to go through their process and hire lawyers, it’s a even crime to try and enter, but that is definitely not a widely known fact, so even though someone might have paid their dues and even been completely sober for years, they’re still fucked unless they’re well off.
I get wanting to protect people and stop dangerous driving but effectively banning someone for life if they made a mistake and happen to be poor seems a bit unfair. You can bet your ass rich people have all sorts of ways around this that completely circumvent the system anyhow on top of all that.
As usual, it’s another regulation that disproportionately affects poor people who are unable to afford proper legal representation to begin with (and are more likely to be falsely convicted of a DUI in the first place).
Um source on the lifetime thing? My understanding is that it’s more like 7 or 10 years, but also that the border agent has some discretion. I had a DUI quite some time ago and went to Canada around the 7 year mark without any trouble, lawyers, etc.
Did you visit before 2018? It sounds like things changed then and it’s more of a lifetime thing now. See the “Deemed Rehabilitation” section here: https://www.canadaduientrylaw.com/
No but it’s easy enough to find. If you are doubting me and genuinely curious, go find it! In fact, if you doubt what I have to say, you should definitely look it up for yourself instead of taking my word for it.
I read it yesterday and no longer have the link handy. I’m having a hard time believing you spent much earnest effort looking for it if you couldn’t find it. I searched for “Canada DUI entry law” and it comes up as the first 5 hits at least.
I’m definitely not going to waste my time continuing to debate you though so you believe whatever you like: Your ignorance is not my responsibility or burden.
until she completes the long and expensive process that they require for DUI offenders.
Sounds like there’s a path to forgiveness, it’s just not cheap or easy. Which, why should it be? She drove under the influence and could have killed someone.
I dunno, DUI is serious, you could kill someone. Maybe it is a long and expensive process to make sure people will remember it and not drive while being drunk?
I always figured it was a good line in the sand telling some Americans, they are not welcome
drunk driving is serious and I respect that they treat it as such
Looking at their rules for it, it actually seems kinda fucked: One bad choice years ago bars you for life unless you are wealthy enough to go through their process and hire lawyers, it’s a even crime to try and enter, but that is definitely not a widely known fact, so even though someone might have paid their dues and even been completely sober for years, they’re still fucked unless they’re well off.
I get wanting to protect people and stop dangerous driving but effectively banning someone for life if they made a mistake and happen to be poor seems a bit unfair. You can bet your ass rich people have all sorts of ways around this that completely circumvent the system anyhow on top of all that.
As usual, it’s another regulation that disproportionately affects poor people who are unable to afford proper legal representation to begin with (and are more likely to be falsely convicted of a DUI in the first place).
Um source on the lifetime thing? My understanding is that it’s more like 7 or 10 years, but also that the border agent has some discretion. I had a DUI quite some time ago and went to Canada around the 7 year mark without any trouble, lawyers, etc.
Did you visit before 2018? It sounds like things changed then and it’s more of a lifetime thing now. See the “Deemed Rehabilitation” section here: https://www.canadaduientrylaw.com/
Looks like it was summer 2019.
Which rules are you referring to?
The Canadian one that states you can’t come to their country with a DUI unless you go through their reportedly expensive and time consuming process?
Do you have a link?
No but it’s easy enough to find. If you are doubting me and genuinely curious, go find it! In fact, if you doubt what I have to say, you should definitely look it up for yourself instead of taking my word for it.
I did look, and I couldn’t find what you were referencing.
Hence me asking you for it.
How were you “looking at it” but don’t have it available…?
I read it yesterday and no longer have the link handy. I’m having a hard time believing you spent much earnest effort looking for it if you couldn’t find it. I searched for “Canada DUI entry law” and it comes up as the first 5 hits at least.
I’m definitely not going to waste my time continuing to debate you though so you believe whatever you like: Your ignorance is not my responsibility or burden.
So, no forgiveness? What if you went dry? Gave up drinking?
Sounds like there’s a path to forgiveness, it’s just not cheap or easy. Which, why should it be? She drove under the influence and could have killed someone.
I wasn’t speaking about anyone in particular in this case.
Then in general, why should it be cheap and/or easy for anyone who does it?