Even if we take into consideration that 90% (out of 25) could be lying (they aren’t), that’s still ~3 women he assaulted.
Edit: Damn y’all, thanks for that old internet feeling I keep coming back to Lemmy for. Not a girl in sight in these comments.
Is testifying under oath not considered evidence? There have been so many credible lawsuits against this guy for sexual assault. Honestly what are these files going to prove that we don’t already have plenty of evidence for?
And lastly, do you have any idea what going after a rich powerful man for sexually assaulting you does to your life? Why the fuck would anybody put themselves through that if they weren’t absolutely sure they had a credible case? Some of the plaintiffs in these cases had their lives and their family’s lives threatened and disrupted.
Welp, to the bottom with me I suppose.
In this thread, so many people who misunderstand the meaning of “Believe women”.
Brett Kavanaugh raped a woman in high school, and had three additional accusations of sexual assault, yet all of that was ignored to put him on the Supreme Court. Donald Trump has a 67-page Wikipedia article on all the sexual assault claims against him, yet he was still a reality tv star, a popular media figure, and now president. Allegations and rumors against Kevin Spacey and Harvey Weinstein circulated for years before anyone took things seriously enough to bother doing something about it. Brock Turner raped an unconscious woman and was let off with six months because the judge didn’t want to “ruin such a promising future” (or similar words), served it in county jail, and was released after 3 months.
“Believe women” means taking each allegation seriously instead of doubting women with questions like “are you sure you want to report this”, “are you sure it wasn’t just a misunderstanding”, “are you sure you weren’t drunk”, etc. “Believe women” means stop trying to dismiss or downplay behavior with things like “why would he do that” (Trump’s assault on the plane), or “she’s not that pretty”, or “she was asking for it”, and actually investigating the crime instead of brushing it off as a college prank, or the casting couch, or someone trying to get 15 minutes of game by accusing someone famous.
“Believe women” doesn’t mean automatically accepting every claim, but believing it enough to accept that it might have happened and conducting a thorough investigation of the alleged incident.
Including OP who said “We wouldn’t need the Epstein files to prove DJT’s guilt if society just trusted women in the first place.”
According to OP, there’s no need to know what the Epstein files say because these women’s accusations are enough to convict him on their own. People are reacting to that absurd phrasing, not to the idea that women’s accusations should be taken seriously and investigated.
No, the problem is the saying itself. It literally just says “believe women”. There’s no room for interpretation in there. The problem is the phrase itself. If you want a phrase that means take women’s allegations seriously, then the phrase you should use is “take women’s allegations seriously”
You’re missing the actual issue at play.
That has literally nothing to do with not believing women, and everything to do with buying into a cult.thagvis not an instance of people not believing women, thats a case of people politically othering those women (or men, or whoever) so much that they would always defend their teammate.
Every non-ideologue believed those women, including conservatives in other countries that aren’t in a trump cult.