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Password security and password manager howto should be an essential part of education. But then again if that happened, schools would probably teach how to use some proprietary cloud-based app with built-in datamining, because lobbying. It would only be a matter of time before everyone would find out the company was storing everyone’s passwords in plaintext after they all leaked.
Use a password manager like keepassxc
Or Bitwarden for cloudsync
You can use keepass with cloudsync.
Just have the password file in a cloud.
Sounds like pain in the ass, I really like the auto-fill feature of Bitwarden… (or in my case vaultwarden as backend)
Bitwarden is great! However, Keepass(XC) can do autofill as well.
The only complication is keeping sure your cloud copy is up to date, or your machines are all kept in sync without conflict with something like syncthing. I actually really like the ways you can tweak KeepassXC.
or a notebook
Yes, but that would involve choosing a password manager, setting up the password manager, learning how to use the password manager and remembering to use the password manager.
That’s easy, have your bi yearly over fixation on privacy and suddenly you’ll be setting up a custom VPN instead of doing your laundry. Fuck I forgot my bedsheets again
That’s a one-time cost for a lifetime of not dealing with remembering passwords
Do yourself a favor and go to https://bitwarden.com/
Then you can generate a password so big and complex, the site or app starts begging you to stop. At that moment, you can say “ur password system is weak.”
Careful with that. Sometimes a site will allow you to use some stupid long password when you sign up, but then it turns out that some other version of the site or an app for it on other platforms won’t accept a password that long!
That’s okay, I just want to hear “it’s too big”
It just says “wrong password” and you’ll be guessing at which random character did it cut the password. Luckily sometimes it’s just a stupid html verification form that can be disabled in the console and be submitted anyway.
In my experience it always cuts off the characters at the end.
I mentioned lemmy passwords in the other reply. Guess how I found out
Or alternatively, it allows you to enter a password as long as you like, but on their end it gets truncated.
My e-mail provider does this. I wanted to change my password to some 64 character long generated string. It accepted, but I could not log in after that. After a few tries, I found the reason and, after another few tries, also the limit at which it gets truncated: 16 characters! God, how I hate them for this…
Perhaps even worse than this is when the hash allows you to enter what you think is your full password, but as long as the first characters are a match then it will succeed.
16 characters is probably fine as far as passwords go, but if the site is secretly truncating from 16 down to, say, 7 and still allows you to sign in, you don’t even realize that your password isn’t nearly as secure as you thought it was.
In lemmy, password length is capped to 60. Weak.
Almost, but KeepassDX is better 😎
KeePass and literally any of it’s derivatives. Not just DX.
I use Keepass2Android, KeePass XC, Keepassium, and the OG KeePass.
They are all solId.
Why?
It’s not a service you’re paying for. It is just a password manager.
Though tbh, I don’t know all of bitwardens spesific details.
It’s at least open source, but can you have your passwords stored anywhere other than their servers? What if the company changes path - can you just use another fork or are you stuck.
Bitwarden is self-hostable and foss, with some unofficial software already out there. Not much opportunity for the company to entrap customers if it went evil.
IMO, for most people it’s best to just send them to register at bitwarden. It’s less hassle so they might actually follow through, while being infinitely better than what they were doing before.
Thanks, I’ll look into it :)
Sadly they are putting ‘AI’ bullshit into it now: https://bitwarden.com/blog/bitwarden-mcp-server/
Can’t wait to have chatgpt post my passwords online
We’re not sure what system they use, but yeah. That was our thoughts too.
Yes but it’s opt in, not opt out, it’s not shoved down my throat unlike most other companies.
Arghh, why is every company thinking, that AI will make them valuable…
“Let AI retrieve, generate and manage all your credentials”
Yeah a definite nope, for what reason do I use bitwarden? So that exactly this doesn’t happen…
Anyway vaultwarden is what I’m using, much more performant and self-contained, compatible to bitwarden (but you need to host it, obviously)…
Or just use the built in password managers in chrome or Firefox. No need to pay for a password manager when they are free on the browsers most people already use
Browser-based password managers are terrible. I use multiple browsers regularly (Firefox, Chrome, Edge, Safari) and got sick of trying to keep them in sync with my “master” KeePass database, so I ended up exporting everything from them and dumping the exports into KeePass. Deleted everything from the browsers. It was a huge weight off my shoulders.
I changed the password autofill on both my work phone (iPhone) and personal phone (Pixel) to their respective KeePass variants. It’s much nicer.
No need to pay
I didn’t say anything about paying. It’s free in both meanings of the word.
It’s also cross-platform and -browser and better than builtin ones.
Fair enough but both the chrome and Firefox password managers are cross platform and can be exported and imported supporting the ability to move away from them in the future should you choose. So for a first step from having insecure passwords to a password manager that gives strong passwords for someone who doesnt even want to rema strong password in the first place, they are good steps in the right direction. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.
Funnily enough, I almost said that to the keepass person. But there are some upsides. I’ve seen people find the separate extension ui easier because it doesn’t blend into browser settings.
I wouldn’t recommend that. Bitwarden is free and works on any device, and doesn’t tie you to a browser. What if you want to switch browsers someday?
Same as wanting to switch password managers some day. Firefox has been the most consistent thing in my life.
That’s not really the same. But if it works for you, go for it.
I mean the post is about people who dont want to put in effort to remember a good password, the path of least resistance here is still a good one. It’s not like the built in password managers are bad. With Firefox you can import from chrome and I believe you can also export the passwords if you wanted to move away from Firefox anyways. It’s not like you are locked away for good.
I started with a browser password manager, and when I needed to change browsers it was an extreme pain in the ass to move everything.
password managers save my life very hard
- attribution: https://xkcd.com/936/
So, are we just going to pretend dictionary attacks don’t exist?
It would seem so, yes.
Evidence: xkcd is never wrong. :-P
(Although I have always wondered about that aspect yes… perhaps an attack has to switch between trying random letters and random words, which may limit its effectiveness, and still keep the number of words high? What if we swapped out letters like c0rr3ct? - b/c obviously hackers have never heard of 1337 5p33ch before. Yeah I really have not looked this one up, hence default to the joke answer above. irl I use the FOSS KeePass and a large string of random crap… but that is nowhere near as funny to say as correct horse battery staple:-D
Also, https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/936:_Password_Strength does talk about this - but unless it is in the references, there is not too much depth there, e.g. a dictionary may have a certain number of words, but I doubt that they are all used equally - some werds oft encroaches upon my visage with verily greater frequency of occurrence by comparison to alterity, so while in the sense of spherical chickens sliding on a frictionless surface a dictionary attack “may not be viable”, in practice I highly suspect that a way could be found to find, if not one specific password, then at least somebody’s password within a large bank of them.)
Password manager
I don’t know how but I went way too long without a password manager. Changed my life. I recommend Bitwarden. I also use it to store like, my bank account number or my tax number.
Let me write a fucking passphrase instead of ABCabc123! And let me use fucking ã, ñ, é, ç, etc on my passwords - Microsoft doesn’t allow spaces or latin special characters
Forcing people to use upper case, lower case, number and special character is terrible for them and vastly increases password reuse. Besides, almost no one brute forces anything anymore, it’s all rainbow tables and invading the database server
None of the characters in your post are special characters. It’s not your fault, but I hate when tech folks call stuff like ñ a special character. That’s a real character that a real language uses.
Correcthorsebatterystaple (somebody link please)
Edit: Most places wont allow it due to character requirements and length limits, but it does work and is cryptographically sound.
Yep and then they require you to put special characters, numbers, and capital letters because… Reasons?
I would be the one getting hacked, not them… Let me do what I want.
It’s just because of entropy. More entropy is more secure.
Also sure, it’s you getting hacked, but it’s the service that got hacked that will have all kinds of news stories written about their weak password requirements.
Also, chbs without aA!%12345ing is way harder to inject code with.
Not that anyone is allowed to code considerately and well anymore.
At home I have a notebook, at work I have a system, so I can deduce the password most of the times.
Keep a physical, paper password notebook, and write something boring, like “recipes” on the front of it.
Or, you know, a password manager.
https://bitwarden.com/ or plenty other free (or paid) choices
Keeppass is pretty simple if you want to keep corporations out of your shit.
until you need your password on a different device
my database is synced to all my devices. I selfhost nextcloud for that but you can use whatever service you want. I used to use dropbox and manually transferred the key file so it never touched their servers.
Ok but I’m not losing all my passwords if I lose just one or if my manager breaks. Safety over security smh.
