I already host multiple services via caddy as my reverse proxy. Jellyfin, I am worried about authentication. How do you secure it?
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Is it just you that uses it, or do friends and family use it too?
The best way to secure it is to use a VPN like Tailscale, which avoids having to expose it to the public internet.
This is what I do for our security cameras. My wife installed Tailscale on her laptop and phone, created an account, and I added her to my Tailnet. I created a home screen icon for the Blue Iris web UI on her phone and mentioned to her, “if the cameras don’t load, open Tailscale and make sure it’s connected”. Works great - she hasn’t complained about anything at all.
If you use Tailscale for everything, there’s no need to have a reverse proxy. If you use Unraid, version 7 added the ability to add individual Docker containers to the Tailnet, so each one can have a separate Tailscale IP and subdomain, and thus all of them can run on port 80.
if the cameras don’t load, open Tailscale and make sure it’s connected
I’ve been using Tailscale for a few months now and this is my only complaint. On Android and macOS, the Tailscale client gets randomly killed. So it’s an extra thing you have to manage.
It’s almost annoying enough to make me want to host my services on the actual internet… almost… but not yet.
I use plain wireguard on me phone, always on essentially with no issues. I wonder why tailscale app can’t stay open.
Same, wireguard with the 'WG Tunnel" app, which adds conditional Auto-Connect. If not on home wifi, connect to the tunnel.
I just stay connected to wireguard even at home, only downside is the odd time I need to chromecast, it needs to be shut off.
I can stay connected, still works, but I don’t think I need the extra hoops.
Oh shit, you may have just solved my only issue with Symfonium
conditional Auto-Connect. If not on home wifi, connect to the tunnel.
You don’t need this with Tailscale since it uses a separate IP range for the tunnel.
I also have a different subnet for WG. Not sure I understand what you’re saying…
I suspect that it goes down and stays down whenever there is an app update, but I haven’t confirmed it yet.
Does the plain wireguard app stay up during updates?
Android wireguard all hasn’t been updated in 18mo. Its extremely simple with a small code base. There basically isn’t anything to update. It uses wireguard kernel module which is itself is only like 700 lines of code. It so simple that it basically became stable very quickly and there is nothing left of update right now.
https://git.zx2c4.com/wireguard-android/about/
I personally get the from obtainium to bypass play store
Have you tried disabling battery optimization for tailscale?
Look up your phone on dontkillmyapp.com and make sure tailscale is excluded from battery and network “optimization”.
Yeah my wife and I are both on Android, and I haven’t been able to figure out why it does that.
The Android client is open-source so maybe someone could figure it out. https://github.com/tailscale/tailscale-android
It loses its foreground notification I’ve found that kills it for me
even thou the Quick Toggle and the app itself, shows as running
If I disconnect/reconnect the notification comes back, and I’ve found something even more weird on my device (A Xiaomi with its infamous OOM / background app killer…) is Tailscale still actually works fine most of the time without the foreground notification. I’m hazarding a 70% of the time for me?
A lot of us a while back found v1.5.2 fugged around with the persistent notification going RIP
Oh the Quick Toggle has never, ever worked correctly. I hoped they fixed it after the UI refresh update but unfortunately not yet.
What device/ROM are you using?
It’s been very iffy for me on and off from Miui > HyperHyperOS, but just checking now?
Works fine
Like I say, the foreground notification seemed to be the lifeline to some of us using it and keeping it alive, even after IIRC some more restrictions came in with future versions of Android (forgive me, I’m very lazy these days and just skim Mishaal’s TG feed 😇)?
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comment ;)For me it’s always been busted both on AOSP and Miui/HyperOS…
Huh. The nearest I have to an actual “AOSP” device is my King Kong Cubot phone that has probably the cleanest version of “stock Android” I’ve ever seen, and I’m going to presume you mean like a Google Pixel / Graphene etc?
Tailscale and the QS tile / notification was solid on that Cubot but to be honest, I’ve barely turned it on these days and is now one of those drawer phones.
Miui / HyperHyperOS though is a different kettle of fish and exempting Tailscale from its App lel Killer does seem to work. 70-80%ish…
But there is something that just fuggs up and turn it off/on like most thingys I own 🙈
Works great and has been for some time on my P7P.
Ensure you’ve allowed background usage and turn off manage app if unused.
Keep the notification on and allow notifications.
Oh the Quick Toggle has never, ever worked correctly. I hoped they fixed it after the UI refresh update but unfortunately not yet.
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If you make Tailscale your VPN in Android it will never be killed. Mileage may vary depending on flavor of Android. I’ve used this on stock Pixel and GrapheneOS.
Under Settings > Network and internet > VPN
Tap the Cog icon next to Tailscale and select Always-on VPN.
Maybe headscale will do better?
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My setup: Locally (all in docker):
- JF for managing and local access
- JF with read only mounted volumes that uses the network of my Wireguard client container
- Wireguard client opening a tunnel to Wireguard server on VPS ** Ping container regularly doing pings to Wireguard Server so the connection stays up (didn’t manage it otherwise)
VPS (Oracle Cloud free tier, also everything in docker):
- Caddy as a reverse proxy with https enabled and geolocking (only certain countries are allowed to connect to)
- fail2ban to block IPs that try to bruteforce credentials
- Wireguard server
Usernames are not shown in the frontend and have to be entered. Passwords are generated by a password manager and can’t be changed by the user.
So my clients just get the URL of my reverse proxy and can access the read only JF through my Wireguard tunnel. Didn’t have to open any ports on my side. If someone is interested I can share the docker compose files later.
I am interested in your docker compose
Will share this evening after work.
I’m more interested in the fail2ban setup. How did you do that for Jellyfin? Is it through a plugin?
This seems like a developer/infrastructure level job, any dumb down step by step procedure to recommend?
For web access, stick it behind a reverse proxy and use something like Authentik/Authelia/SSO provider of your choice to secure it.
For full access including native clients, set up a VPN.
I use Tailscale right now. Which, in fairness, I didn’t state in the post. However, I was hoping to share it more similarly to how I used to with Plex. But, it would appear, I would have to share it through Tailscale only at this point.
I use fail2ban to ban IPs that fall to login and also IPs that perform common scans in the reverse proxy
also have jellyfin disable the account after a number of failed logins.
I use Pangolin (https://github.com/fosrl/pangolin)
Uhh, interesting! Thanks for sharing.
OpenVPN
Or wireguard, depending where & how they want to implement it might be simpler or better/worse on hardware.
You could put authentik in front of it too
I think that breaks most clients
? How does putting something before it break it? It most certainly doesn’t.
Clients are built to speak directly to the Jellyfin API. if you put an auth service in front it won’t even ask you to try and authenticate with that.
Sorry, when out of the house I only use web not clients.
Tailscale is awesome. Alternatively if you’re more technically inclined you can make your own wireguard tailscale and all you need is to get a static IP for your home network. Wireguard will always be safer than each individual service.
My setup is: Proxmox - restricted LXC running docker which runs jellyfin, tailscale funnel as reverse proxy and certificate provider. So so don’t care about jellyfin security, it can get hacked / broken , its an end road. If so i will delete the LXC and bring it up again using backups. Also i dont think someone will risk or use time to hack a jellyfin server. My strategy is, with webservices that don’t have critical personal data, i have them isolated in instances. I don’t rely on security on anything besides the firewall. And i try not to have services with personal sensitive data, and if i do, on my local lan with the needed protections. If i need access to it outside my local lan, vpn.
So i’ve been trying to set this up this exact thing for the past few weeks - tried all manner of different Nginx/Tailscale/VPS/Traefik/Wireguard/Authelia combos, but to no avail
I was lost in the maze
However, I realised that it was literally as simple as setting up a CloudFlare Tunnel on my particular local network I wanted exposed (in my case, the Docker network that runs the JellyFin container) and then linking that domain/ip:port within CloudFlare’s Zero Trust dashboard
Cloudflare then proxies all requests to your public domain/route to your locally hosted service, all without exposing your private IP, all without exposing any ports on your router, and everything is encrypted with HTTPS by default
And you can even set up what looks like pretty robust authentication (2FA, limited to only certain emails, etc) for your tunnel
Not sure what your use case is, but as mine is shared with only me and my partner, this worked like a charm
I’m pretty sure that using Jellyfin over Cloudflare tunnels is against their TOS, just FYI. I’m trying to figure out an alternative myself right now because of that.
I just moved from that. I now have Traefik on aVPS with a Wireguard server that my home router connects to (Immich IP forwarded in the config of WG).
Thanks for mentioning. I ended up using a Tailscale funnel and everything is running swimmingly so far.
Pay attention to your email, when cloudflare decides to warn you for this (they will, it’s very very much against TOS) they’ll send you an email, if you don’t remove the tunnel ASAP, your entire account will be terminated.
Why would Cloudflare warn me against a service they themselves offer? The email authentication is all managed by them
You’re not allowed to tunnel video traffic.
Jellyfin is secure by default, as long as you have https. Just chose a secure passwordNo, it isn’t.
EDIT: I quickly want to add that Jellyfin is still great software. Just please don’t expose it to the public web, use a VPN (Wireguard, Tailscale, Nebula, …) instead.
Some of these are bonkers. The argument not to fix them because of backwards compatibility is even wilder. Which normal client would need the ability to get data for any other account that it hasn’t the Auth token for.
Just make a different API prefix that’s secure and subject to change, and once the official clients are updated, deprecate the insecure API (off by default).
That way you preserve backwards compatibility without forcing everyone to be insecure.
Even just basic API versioning would be sufficient. .NET offers a bunch of ways to handle breaking changes in APIs
Wtf. Thank you
Oh boy. Nope. My friends gonna have to fiddle with a VPN, forget exposing JF to the outside…
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Doesn’t streaming media over a cloudflare tunnel/proxy violate their ToS
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Cloudflare is known for being unreliable with how and when it enforces the ToS (especially for paying customers!). Just because they haven’t cracked down on everyone doesn’t mean they won’t arbitrarily pick out your account from thousands of others just to slap a ban on. There’s inherent risk to it
No, they removed that clause some 2 or 3 years back.
I hate the cloudflare stuff making me do captchas or outright denying me with a burning passion. My fault for committing the heinous crime of using a VPN!
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Using cloudflare tunnels means nothing is encrypted and cloudflare sees all.
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Mostly via empty threats, but occaisonally I have had to whip out the soccer ball
