That’s wild. If we go out for a meal (UK) we’ll just leave whatever change we have on the table or hand it to the waitress that served us, maybe 5 to 10 quid. If they try to make it a part of the payment, they’ll get nothing.
That’s because the UK has stronger wage protections than the US. Here the Federal minimum wage for “tipped positions,” which are their own special category, is only $2.13 per hour. The management literally expects you, the customer, to make up for their payroll shortfall.
Related fun fact: The reason the US (still) has such a tipping culture at all is, as usual, the result of post-slavery racism when business owners flat out refused to actually pay any of their newly freed black employees, and instead demanded their customers to do it for them. For those positions, tips were the only way those people got paid.
So yes, US business owners would absolutely force their employees to work for no pay if they could get away with it.
I live in a state where our servers make state minimum wage. 16+ dollars an hour. They still ask for tips. So the fed minimum doesn’t really change anything in making up the payroll shortfall.
Tip is a recognition of an excellent service, not a right. I would pay without any tip and leave some cash on the table if the service was good (few pounds usually).
Thats europe. In north america, waiters are paid below minimum wage and the tips are supposed to make up the rest.
15% i think is still what the gov expects for wages, so in theory thats for just plain service, forcing us to either hurt the waiter or pay the fee. It’s a terrible system. I prefer to not eat out at all than to cut tips, even for poor service i’ll leave 10% and won’t go back.
Most people who work the service industry don’t claim cash tips, but credit tips are required to be claimed due to the whole being electronic and traceable thing.
If, as a service person, most or all tips are in cash, you just claim whatever brings you to minimum wage for that pay period.
This is obviously heavily dependent upon where you work - some places want you to claim all tips (but you still don’t claim cash usually) others, especially if you make above min wage like most bartenders, don’t care.
However, if you don’t claim those tips you can’t use that as income when taking out loans and applying for housing and whatever else. So it’s fucks people over pretty regularly.
a tipped employee who does that work for years will also see shit for social security later on, as that’s based on your reported and taxed earnings.
Well yeah, if you dont declare all your income to dodge taxes, they shouldn’t be surprised the income can’t be used for credit. But if it’s just cash then it’s not traceable, you can declare less and keep more in your pocket than an electronic transaction
It also depends how the company declares their outgoing tips and contributions (different in US vs canada of even states/provinces).
Thats europe.
most of europe sneers at tipping.
We sneer at it too, but here it’s built into people’s wages. If i could vote to abolish it i would
If i could vote to abolish it i would
yeah, I’m american, same. funny we never really get the opportunity to vote on stuff like this tho. shit’s rigged.
lol 100% tip? Your tipping culture is so bad.
It’s not just the tipping part of our culture that’s bad. The entire thing is rot.
maybe a revolution would be in order. :)
got any tips on how could we do that?
20%
($19.00)
terribleI’d cancel my order and leave.
I’d hit the custom button and leave my customary 20%. If course if they gave me any shit I would never return
error. must be between 150% and 1000%
custom
0%
Fuck this place, if it’s real
I have seen this around multiple times. I really doubt that it is real. The whole working-for-tips system is messed up, thou, but the biggest I have ever seen recommended is 25%
thou
thy cant’est mean thou
Thou = though in this case I think.
well yeah but that’s no fun
Custom: 10% because you didn’t put the default 15% / 18% and gave me extra work
If the lowest percentage on the screen is 20% then you get nothing even if I was planning on giving 20%
Tips are legalized begging.
Accepting a job where your pay is partially based on tips, effectively makes you a beggar.
Offering a job where wages are partially based on tips, means you accept begging as part of your business model.Edit:
To those who disagree, take a look at that picture again, and explain to me how that isn’t begging for more?Americans, your tip coulture makes the rich richer. Having labour laws and unions in place, forcing the payment of a decent minimun wage and the extinction of tip culture would transfer the responsibility to the owner.
Edit: before you say “prices woild go up” 1- you alredy pay “up”. 2- He can only go so much higher before he starts to loose clients.
This business is so out of touch. Everybody knows “so-so” means the same thing as “okay”.
I would ask to speak to mgmt and tell them that they’re hurting their staff.
If anything would start a workers right reform it would be the population stop with tipping. Because if people won’t earn as much other than base salary, they will go under. It’ll be painful for those affected at first, but it’s relatively shor term and would spark a revolt. Let’s make it real.
In my area a few places I regularly visit have gone to 18% tip included. When they bring you the check they say an 18% tip is already included and all you have to do is sign the check. They are not looking for anything extra. I like this. I also appreciate that the bartenders and servers at these places tell you that the tip is already included. The worst are those that automatically include a tip but never tell you and unless you read it carefully you are tipping on the food and the already included tip
Saw something like this at a coffee truck once, but the lady in the truck was kind enough to be gorgeous and wearing lingerie. I assume the tip at that place is some kind of incentive for a dance? Idk. But 100% tip on a $7 drink is halfway reasonable when you might see some tiddy for it.
Nudity aside, 100% tip on a total of less than $10 is way more reasonable than 100% on a $100 total
