To be honest, this has always kinda been how the conservatives in the US talk when they’re by themselves. I grew up in the 70s and heard it quite often from uptight assholes on the right.
It’s not anything new, really. It’s just that today the communications, instead of being face to face, are online and they leave records of their conversations.
Bigoted jackasses, gonna jackass.
Seconded, my experience as well.
Same and it all begins around middle school when white kids start really being openly racist around their fellow whites like myself.
Someone at home must be acting like that and teaching that behaviour to them.
No. I was legitimately shocked the first time I heard these things, as I switched schools.
I stayed shocked until today, though I’ve had to keep hearing it in my small town. For a while in the early 2000s, it got a bit better, but starting in 2016 it ramped up to 1980s levels again.
As a designer doing advertising work, a local bakery rebranded themselves and asked me in 2017 to redo their logo to Kathy’s Korner baKery, for instance. Of course I wouldn’t, but nobody would have asked me to do that before.
Back in the 80s/early 90s I would have seen shit like that, but not in the early to mid 2000s.
From my (very white girl) perspective, it seems some people have hit middle age and desperately want to return to their teens when that abhorrent behaviour was okay. Their personality has become wrapped up in it, and they think being asked to care about others is a judgement on their soul (it is, and they’re awful people), so they’re lashing out.
They don’t understand they can learn and grow, and instead feel everyone has turned against them, so they’re doubling down. It’s actually sad.
I fully agree with everything you said. Do you mean that children aren’t necessarily learning racism from their parents because they are learning to be racist from society as a whole?
Maybe I’m wrong about parenthood, but I would like to believe that any openly racist 10-13 year old kid must have racist parents, simply because any decent parent would catch on and stamp that behaviour out.
Those pathetic, racist, middle aged people who are trying to relive their teenage years? I just met a few people like that. You’re right on the money. Those people had children too.
No, children are learning this from their parents, but society as a whole is moving on from this, and some insular communities are getting butthurt over it. This is part of what’s fuelling their xenophobia, actually.
Not necessarily. It’s the internet turning them into this for the last 20+ years or so because most white boys have had internet access longer than any other group of people.
I had the same experience with racist kids growing up. That was long enough ago that only nerdy kids like me cared about using the internet.
Honestly, middle school kids usually aren’t good at hiding that kind of behaviour from their parents. Any decent parent would slap the proverbial shit out of their kid for it.
A viciously racist 10-13 year old kid will almost always have tacit or direct approval from their parents.
But you are right, I am certain that the internet today has been making it worse.
It’s especially making it worse with algorithms that affirm their beliefs so they don’t encounter as many differing views. The mass manipulation of children on a global scale scares the shit out of me.
Not all of them, and it probably varies by geography (getting worse the further south you go), but yeah most of them.
this is a perfect example of just because it’s well known doesn’t make it fact.
now that there is evidence, it’s a fact.
Republicans are a party of Nazis.
The question remains: What are the real americans going to do about it?
It’s not going to get better by itself, and the rest of the world can’t just come over and fix it.
This was news to the people who needed to hear it
It’s another notch in the wall. We all wish the wall would come down already… But it will be painfully slow and all encompassing
But every notch does matter
a third of Americans voted for this and another third couldn’t be assed to stop it. this is what “real Americans” want
You think this isn’t happening in the rest of the world?
No, the things that are happening in the US right now is not really comparable to things happening in any other Western democracy. All countries have their issues, but this blatant fascist takeover occurring in the US right now is quite unique.
But it is a cautionary tale. Other countries aren’t trying very hard to stifle their growing far-right movements and will end up the same way if they keep giving them legitimacy. They could also more openly condemn the fascist USA instead of treating Trump as acceptable and allowing him the usual respectful state visits.
Whataboutism…
That’s not whataboutism at all. I’m not downplaying the US’s extreme fascism in any way. I’m saying that it’s not an isolated case.
So you’re just saying that america isn’t the only one; what about other countries.
mexico? peru? canada?
Fucked that they don’t even have to exaggerate. The literal quotes are so absurdly shitty that they can’t be outdone.
This is just what Lee Atwater said openly in the 80s.
We all knew.
They’re not joking. They’re literally starting a genocide and a fascist military police state in front of our eyes
For a decade, I have been begging anyone who will listen to believe Trump et al. whenever they threaten someone. I swear that the only time Trump tells the truth is when he promises violence, retribution, or lawbreaking.
One of these ubermensch
Yes, as always, the master race: fat, balding, and utterly insignificant without the inbred assurance that their skin color is some kind of achievement.
It’s ironic that the greatest achievements of the white “race” (race in quotes since it’s not a real thing) have been in the realm of technology, yet the most advanced thing these inbred fucks have ever achieved is mounting big flags in the backs of their trucks.
Know what you’re getting at and you seem to address this but I wouldn’t attribute any achievement to the white race. That feeds into the Nazi narrative. Every achievement is an adaptation of or a step forward from ancient human wisdom. The concept of zero, which is foundational to all modern mathematics and technology, was derived from the spiritual and philosophical practices of people in South Asia. The precursors of the printing press were developed by people in China partly due to the rapid expansion of Buddhism creating a high demand for sutras.
Many of the mathematic “developments” of Fibonacci, for example, were already known in the Arabian peninsula, after having been transferred from South Asia and further developed. He learned Arabic in order to being them to the West. The infinite series for trigonometric functions (precursors to calculus) were also known in South Asia and the Arab peninsula before being ?discovered independently in Europe (its unknown if this knowledge transferred).
Finally I’ll end with the fact that both the industrial revolution and enlightenment occurred on the back of colonial exploitation. It was the relative luxury and advatantage of having people working the fields in a distant nation that allowed for the technological development that led to the industrial revolution in the west. It was the relative luxury, at the cost of back breaking labor in the colonies, that allowed for people to meet in salons and cafes and discuss/propogate enlightenment values. There’s some debate that enlightenment values may have developed in part due to contact with Indigineous people in the Americas since precivilization cultures are inherently more egalitarian and democratic (as communal interdependence is absolutely crucial to survival).
My larger point is that these are human / global achivements. The idea that no attribution can be given to those who paid for them in their blood is an imperialist one. And the last thing we want to do is empower fascists / imperialists.
You’ve already acknowledged so just expanding on your point!
Yeah, I agree with everything you’ve said. I mainly just wanted to make fun of that flag-in-truck bullshit.
The very notion that someone would take some kind of credit for technological advancement because they share a similar skin color with a random visionary makes me want to communicate non-verbally with these douche bags in a very forceful way.
If you catch my drift.
a random visionary
And most of them were Scots who aren’t even really human!
I wish the media outlets would publish pictures of them they didn’t pull from Linkedin but actual, social-media pics of these asswipes in their average, every-day, stained house-clothes and hoodies. It may seem superficial but these are the kinds of people who are deeply insecure about themselves and it would do far more damage than exposing their stupid conversations. They’re NOT ashamed of what they said, we have to understand that. If anything they are delighting in the attention.
These are just 4chan trolls who
maturedgot older and managed to get a foot in the door of actual political action. While I don’t believe they are more serious in their beliefs than any 4chan self-proclaimed nazi, they are definitely going to empower the actual intelligent fascists and monsters who crave power. Showing them as basement trolls and tubby, pathetic social rejects would weaken them in the arena of aesthetic performance and aspirations for leadership in the party.Showing them as basement trolls and tubby, pathetic social rejects
That’s what these pictures are though, they’re just in suits. I find the fact that they’re all in suits hilarious. Dude is what, 23 and has the same build that 79 year old Trump has.
You’re not thinking like a rightoid and that’s probably a good thing.
14 or 40.
yes
Real ‘Jared of Subway’ vibes there buddy.
He said “Missouri don’t like f**s.”
When I was growing up and people were referred to as “f***y” for how they looked, he would have been called that.
I think the worst part of all of this, for me, is how unfunny it all is. Like goddamn, they are so bad at humor.
I think the worst part is that the Vice President openly defended them.
“The right can’t meme”
I think the worst part for me is that these people have power, actual real world power. But being unfunny is definitely pathetic.
I think the worst part is how many worst parts there are.
It is funny if you’re a pychopath
Are those actual leaked quotes on the right?? Good lord!!
In case you haven’t seen the report,
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/14/private-chat-among-young-gop-club-members-00592146
I thought the comics was clumsy satire. Turns out it’s basically straight infographics at this point.
Great.
Thank you.
I’m stunned.
The right will boys will be boys this shit until the skies fill with the smoke of voters.
I’m stunned.
I’m not. Kids did this shit all the time in middle and high school. These people just never ran into any kind of push back or experienced maturity
My husband is a high school teacher. He’s had more than a decade of students saying Nazi shit in an attempt to be “edgy.” They seem surprised when he calls them out on their bullshit. His response has made a few (probably too few) of them think twice about how people perceive them because of their words.
Last year was the first time he had a student who spouted that crap because he actually believed it. I think he has a couple of students now who actively identify as fascists. Times, they are a-changin’.
So what is his go-to response?
Sometimes it’s “being edgy just for the sake of it isn’t cool. Don’t be an idiot; people fought wars over this.” Students generally respect him, so once they realize he doesn’t play that game, they stop doing it in his classes.
If it’s a specific kind of bigotry, he points out that someone important to him is black/gay/trans/an immigrant/etc, and asks the kid if they’ve even met someone in that group. Most of the time the kid hasn’t and they’re just parroting things they’ve heard at home or online.
None of them were kids, which is sad, but I get your point. If, as kids with this mentality, were never punished or corrected it just carries over.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/10/republican-hitler-group-chat-nazi-politico/
None of them were kids
They all were at some point.
If, as kids with this mentality, were never punished or corrected it just carries over.
For a lot of these 4chan-tier chuds, the behavior was likely rewarded and encouraged. That’s how you get Charlie Kirk and Nick Fuentes tier freaks. We are quite literally paying these people to exist and reproduce.
I’m getting so fucking tired of libs’ satisfaction with hypocrisy. We already knew these people were Nazis, they’ve always fucking been Nazis. They say they aren’t because gaslighting is a fascist tactic and open support of Nazism doesn’t ring with racist middle class people who only have their internalized values to run on. Whenever chuds are caught lying there’s thousands of lib gotcha posts like it’s a victory.
It’s not a “victory”, it’s refusing to let this shit slide unspoken
Ok?
Why do people on Lemmy always find a way to make everything about liberals? That’s what I’m getting tired of. Whenever something happens, people come up saying “well yeah, liberals suck”. How is that better than the thing you’re arguing against? If you’re tired of “satisfaction with hypocrisy” of one group, what is your prefered group doing? Is there someone actually doing something about it? Because I only see people writing stuff on internet forums, regardless of their affiliation.
- Liberalism is hegemonic and its subscribers wield the greatest power over society.
- Something being bad is not dependent on something else being good.
- Everything that alleviates the harm of this system on me – voting rights, property and employment protection, food regulation, socialized Healthcare, socialized education – was all won with the blood of anarchists, socialists, and unionists.
My “preferred group” – whatever the fuck that means – is currently fighting liberals, as we’ve always done.
Now fuck off.
“I love Hitler,” Republicans,
probablyactuallySo that’s how I find out.
The OG reporting, for others like me.
Its so weird to me how they can be both Zionist bootlickers and nazis at once, it’s impressive
The Christian nationalists are deeply religious, so they see Israel as a good thing. End times or crusades or something.
The Nazis might hate Jewish people, but they hate brown people more.
The racists definitely hate brown people more.
They’re all in the maga alliance and are getting along for the moment just so they can be fascists.
This is starting to fracture a bit with right wing traitor lunatics, but it’s for two main reasons. For some, it’s just about access to Middle East energy resources. That’s the main reason that US policy is to support Israel.
The other thing is for true believing traitor lunatics. They think that Israel needs to exist for the rapture to occur. I don’t remember the details but this is a big part of evangelical support.
Either way, absolute lunacy, but at least if we managed to wean off fossil fuels, support for Israel would evaporate.
Supporting Zionism while being actively antisemitic is a handy way for Nazis to encourage jewish people to segregate themselves. Zionism presents a potentially attractive place to go, and then aggressive antisemitism gives them a reason to leave. The two are not so radically opposed.
The Nazis rhetoric drives more Jewish people to Zionism. Strange bedfellows indeed.
But why are the nazis hiding the Epstein files?
Because the Nazis are also pedophiles.
Please remember, this is the republican party, the party that has fought to lower the age of consent across the nation for decades. This is entirely on brand for what we’ve seen them fight for in public, and if you’re aware of the 50-60 plus pages of Republican sex pests, completely unsurprising.
Because they’re also in there.
Which group chat was this? Also, genuinely curious why “liberal” is used to insult right wingers. I’ve always heard it used for left wing stuff
Are you European? Liberal means something else in most of our countries
From the US. Yeah maybe it’s used differently elsewhere. It’s just a little confusing to me haha
Because the technical definition of ‘liberal’ is somebody who has buy in to the idealogy of liberalism1. According to the original left vs. right wing of the French National Assembly “liberals” were left wing and “conservatives”, aka monarchists, were right wing.
That was nearly 250 years ago.
In the modern era where monarchies are mostly extinct the way that an individual achieves the modern equivalent of the “divine right of kings” is via the “right to private property”. So both it and conservatism are fighting to fill the niche that once held the monarchists, the fight is whether it should be wealthy corporations or a religious monarchy that fills it. It should go without saying that these are both extremely far right positions.
1 also worth reading a bit about the technical definition/understandings of neoliberalism
Liberal is sort of two separate things - a brand adopted by usually a party that markets itself as socially progressive and a philosophy of property forward law that creates a punch out of individual rights to citizens (and to a much lesser extent subgroups) to things like freedom of movement, freedom from unlawful seizure of property, freedom of expression and “style of life”.
If you have existed on the outside of the left wing you might only be familiar with the brand aspect. The criticism of the wider left in general of these “Liberal” branded parties is that they are often performative in their progressive nature. The brand is just marketing.
The hotbutton discussion however inside the wider left in regards to the political philosophy of Libralism is that both the Republicans and Democrats are by technical definition Liberals and that base philosophy has within it the political prerogative of constantly upholding protections on keeping the absurd aggregation of wealth in private firms (something Libralism at it’s core is designed to do). A large number of different leftist philosophies see this as a core problem. Therefore in leftist spaces self identifying Liberals are usually flagged as dupes of a branded center-right party - not as progressives who support social causes of wider acceptance.
Libralism as a philosophy is kind of the air we breathe. It’s not left nor right. It creates a body of individual rights but Capitalism is used as a measure of what constitutes personal autonomy. Someone dying from a lack of success is acceptable because at it’s core Liberalism is designed to coerce (most) people to perform perpetual labour in return for protection inside the system. The system creates classes of people who are citizens who are protected and by doing so it creates exceptions to citizenhood (like prisoners, refugees, immigrants or indigenous peoples) who can be exploited.
Most Democracies are philosophically a sort of blended patchwork of Liberalism and Socialism with some other stuff mixed in. The two are either compatible or opposing depending on which school of Socialism you are talking about.
That actually makes a lot of sense. Thank you. I was raised very conservative, migrated libratarian, and am slowly leaning more libertarian socially but centrist economically. Where I’m from “Liberal” is sort of an insult for the far left so it’s weird to see it used within the left. I’ve never seen that before.
Yeah “Liberal” as an insult from a Conservative from the leftist perspective is very funny and also sad. Conservatives often utilize the wrong terms for things which muddy the waters and make it harder for their flock to swap sides because messing around with diction makes following leftist discussion impossible if you have an understanding of the terms gleaned from a non-academic source.
Take the term “neo-liberal” the right uses it in its most literal translation to mean “new liberal” and uses it to evoke the far end of the progressive spectrum of the left.
In actuality the term was coined in the Reagan/Thatcher era to mean the sort of generally conservative policy of privatizing swaths of government services entirely, defunding government social programs, removing regulations/ depowering regulatory bodies and practicing so called “trickle down economics” policies. The philosophical term is frozen in time just the same way terms like “neolithic” or “neoclassical art” is. Republicans are literally more Neo-Liberal than the Democrats (who are sort of more passively status quo preserving liberal. Neo-liberal mostly by virtue of inaction. )
Linguistically the well is very poisoned. The left wing could try adopting new terms but the right wing is faster to disseminate their counter to that by just creating new bastardized meanings of the terms because the right has a more unified media structure. The left is fractured. It deals often with trying new things rather than preserving status quo which means it exists in a lot of subgroups.
