• Thebular@lemmy.world
      9·
      2 months ago

      Hey, thanks man, that was an interesting read, perfect for insomniacs trying to fall asleep.

    • stiephelando@discuss.tchncs.de
      5·
      2 months ago

      I read Bregman’s book and can recommend it. The boys in question collaborated, grew crops and fished. Whenever they had a fight amongst them they’d retreat to cool down. One of them broke his leg and the others cared for him.

    • laranis@lemmy.zip
      2·
      2 months ago

      Honestly, I think six is likely the right number for this to work. I don’t recall how many boys were in Lord of the Flies, but you get to 10-15 and you’re absolutely going to start forming factions. And a hierarchy. And with more opinions you get more disagreements, and you’re right back to Lord of the Flies.

    • Armand1@lemmy.world
      1·
      2 months ago

      Anyone know what the movie mentioned in the article is called? Could be a fun niche watch.

    • LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world
      141·
      2 months ago

      I liked that book. It was eye-opening. And kinda made me appreciate the relative orderliness we have in a society run by adults. As much as kids would love to run wild & free with no supervision, but I was fortunate to be a child of the 1970’s & 80s so I enjoyed the perfect balance of wild freedom with parental care at the end of every day.

      • Bababasti@feddit.org
        15·
        2 months ago

        If it’s really that eye-opening is debatable I would say. As another user has posted it already, this is a more realistic scenario: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months

        Edit: I am not saying it’s not a good book. I enjoyed reading it myself. I just don’t like the picture it paints of society and the conclusions people draw from it.

      • Whelks_chance@lemmy.world
        7·
        2 months ago

        Reading it in the early 00s it made me wish I lived somewhere far more interesting with far more wild classmates.

        All the rules and restrictions were so internalised, I think if we were abandoned on an island half of them would just sit still and starve.

        I can’t imagine any of them being interesting enough to try to start their own religious cult or anything.

        • PieMePlenty@lemmy.world
          3·
          2 months ago

          When lunchtime approached at her usual morning time, Becca waited and waited, still and silent, till the sun set on the calm and foamy sea. She sat waiting in the golden hour sun, stomach churning, wondering why.

      • theneverfox@pawb.socialEnglish
        1·
        2 months ago

        I hated it because it was totally unbelievable, just a paternalistic rationalization for authority

        I was confronted with the knowledge that the adults around me all thought the only thing keeping me from murdering someone was layers of rules and supervision. Like we’re all just rabid animals barely held back by a watchful eye

        Even then, I knew myself better than that. I knew people better than that

        But that’s how our society treats people. Like monsters that must be managed

        • AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          1·
          2 months ago

          Hmm, interesting. To be fair, I haven’t read it since HS and that was…decades ago. Based on what you said I might reread and reassess.

    • kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      0·
      2 months ago

      I both dislike the book and dislike this comic for missing the actual point of the book, which is not in fact, haha, this is what would actually happen and it’s just a group of random kids. It was specifically portraying british aristocratic children to criticize the colonizer mindset while discussing larger issues of human nature and civility and structure vs chaos.

      • shawn1122@sh.itjust.works
        0·
        2 months ago

        I haven’t read the book but how did it criticize the colonizer mindset? A cursory look makes it seem like a justification of paternalistic authority, so propaganda for kids to blindly listen to their parents haha.

        If anything wouldn’t this be justification for colonization, as colonized nations were often infantalized/dehumanized?

        • kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          1·
          2 months ago

          It was specifically a contrast on the colonizer mindset that was common both in culture and literature at the time. Showing a bunch of useless british aristocrats coming to “savage lands” and rather than taming the land they were shown that without their wealth and power and being taken care of by competent natives and labourers they became the savages they claimed to be inherently divinely better than.

    • bampop@lemmy.world
      8·
      2 months ago

      I was expecting one of the boys to get complete mastery of the word “the”, then get the power of flight so he could leave the island. So disappointed.

    • krooklochurm@lemmy.ca
      6·
      2 months ago

      “Shucks to your Ass-mar” Said Ralph, as his face grew white, his eyes lost focus, and a telltale buzzing began emanating from somewhere deep inside of him. His mouth drooped low and spread wide forming a horrifying O at least two feet in diameter. The buzzing became louder and more frantic, as thousands of flies began to spill from his mouth, hurtling towards the small, fat boy in front of him who even now was attempting, futilely, to run from the buzzing, angry, hungry swarm of flies.

      “He truly is” said one of the other boys, glad not to be the object of Ralph’s ire for once “the lord of the flies”