• AbidingOhmsLaw@lemmy.ml
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    18 days ago

    I’m not English but I thought there should be toast and beans. The sausage looks anemic.

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    18 days ago

    Chuck it in the oven for ten minutes, no drama at all.

    Then pre-book the following day off work with a dodgy stomach.

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    17 days ago

    This is not a full English due to the following issues or errors:

    • Fried eggs are ideal, poached acceptable, and some oddballs like scrambled. Boiled egg is not acceptable. There should be two eggs as standard, more if the breakfast is a ‘large’.
    • It’s missing baked beans, which should have been simmered until the sauce thickens into a syrup.
    • While cafes love to serve this kind of tomato that’s only because it’s easy to keep a pot of chopped, tinned tomatoes warm. If you’re going tinned, they should be good quality whole plum tomatoes. But well-grilled fresh tomatoes are preferable. No cherries. No vine attached. Definitely no raw tomato.
    • It’s missing the black pudding which elevates the humble fry-up into the glory that is a proper full English.
    • Experienced afficionados of the full English almost all prefer cooked sausages over raw ones.
    • The mushrooms look like they came in a tin. Ideally whole field or chestnut mushrooms shoud be used.
    • There seems to be a lack of hot buttered toast (with optional marmelade).

    There is hearty debate amongst the governing body of the full English about whether or not hash browns are acceptable on a breakfast. Many declare them to be unwanted compared to, for example, bubble and squeak or a tattie scone, or even fried potatoes, or a fried slice for that matter. They go further and label them ‘trash browns’, ‘American nonsense’, or just ‘shite’. Personally I don’t mind them, and consider them to be an optional addition, but not a core requirement of the full English. There are many other optional additions, not to mention regional specialities which render an Ulster fry very different to a full Welsh or a full Scottish. Hogs pudding, white pudding, fruit pudding, haggis, Lorne sausage, potato farl, soda bread, laverbread, kidneys, etc.

    I am available for for keynote speeches on the subject should anyone be organising a full English conference.

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      17 days ago

      Love that you took the time to write this out as a comment on a shitpost. That’s dedication!

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      17 days ago

      I think that a full english isn’t an exclusionary meal. I think there are a few factors it needs to be in the category of full english but that there are many variations and additions or subtractions that still count.

      In my opinion the only things required for a full english are any 4 of the following:

      • fried eggs
      • sausages
      • bacon
      • beans
      • toast

      Anything less is not “full” and anything more is a variation of the full english.

      Hash browns? Sure! ulsterfry? Go for it! Mushrooms? Absolutely! Tomatoes (grilled of course) yes please! Black pudding (not for me) bring it on!

      But there is no singular thing that makes it a full english, it just has to have enough of the core ingredients to meet the criteria.

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        17 days ago

        What you describe is a mere fry-up. The required ingredients of a full English are eggs, bacon, sausage, black pudding, beans, and tomato. Six perfect ingredients.

        There’s nothing wrong with a fry-up, mind you. But it’s not a full English without the six.

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          17 days ago

          Historically there is no set version of a full english. What you describe is just your version. It will be, entirely, a social construct. This is why the full english varies so much, its different traditions in different areas and families being passed down, giving everyone a different vision of what it is.

          Its similar to how everyone has their own christmas traditions, or how fish and chips in the north tend to be more traditionally served with gravy mushy peas and bread+butter. Whereas in the south, typically, they are sold with just ketchup or mayonnaise. But again, not exclusively. They only requirement is a fash and some chips. Everything else is just a variation of that but still counts.

          This is why i belive that there only needs to be a few core ingredients for a full english to qualify as a full english. After that its all tradition and preference.

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        I tend to agree on that more flexible definition with a few core ingredients as baseline but it does seem to me that that core list needs to include at least one regional speciality item specific to the British Isles because I think that’s what the “full” part is really referring to as opposed to just a “fry up” as the other bloke suggested. I think in general in England that’s probably black pudding.

        This thinking is because that minimum combination you listed is fairly common in a few places including Australia and while I don’t speak from experience, I think with the exception of the beans if wouldn’t be a totally strange or foreign combination in America either.

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          Its a fair point and i see where you are coming from but would it not also be fair to say a that a “fry up” is a colloquialism meaning full english? I would ask, where does a fry up cease to be a fry up? Whats the minimum requirements? Is eggs on toast a fry up? Eggs and sausage and beans? Sausages and bacon and toast? Or all of the above?

          Or does fry up refer to how its cooked, in that it all goes in the pan? I tend to grill my bacon and sausages, fry my eggs and mushrooms, toaster my toast, microwave my beans. Is that not longer a fry up because its not all in the frying pan?

          As to your point about the ingredients being common in a few places like Australia and America. Is it not fair to say that they adopted the meal and that explains the commonality? Like in england a curry is a practically a national dish, but its adopted from indian cuisine. We make it slightly differently to its country of origin but at its core the ingredients required to call it a curry are not uncommon anywhere in the world.

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      17 days ago

      A long time ago I was in old Blighty for the first time for work and the locals took care of me foodwise. I remember getting all the usual “English food is terrible” remarks before going and I didn’t know any better so I was worried when I arrived.

      Everything was delicious, I loved all of it. The full English especially, that could power you through supper.

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              17 days ago

              I’m guessing you’ve never tried it. It’s a glorious food stuff and the full English is its perfect context.

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                  16 days ago

                  A strong position to take on a post about a full English.

                  Veggie versions abound, though, replacing pork sausages with Glamorgan sausages and bacon with halloumi or some such. And you can get vegan black pudding too, though I’ve never tried it. A good veggie version is fine eating.

                  Once you go full vegan though, it gets a bit harder since you also need to fake the eggs (and I’ve only heard of people doing tofu-based scrambled ‘eggs’) and faking or swapping out the bacon and the sausages and the black pudding so by that stage I’d be wondering why I was trying to recreate such a meat forward meal.

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    18 days ago

    I see no problems with cooking meals with sunlight. (…as we say here in the solarpunk instance)

    However, I do see the practical limitations what comes to attempting to cook meals with sunlight in the UK. I have heard the weather is often not favourable.

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      17 days ago

      You need a lot of mirrors and/or lenses to cook something using sunlight. Unless you’re in Arizona, then just stick your skillet out the window.

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        Yeah with good luck you could have enough energy, but… who’s gonna ever rely on the sun being available when you’re hungry?

        Solar panels, sure, as they’re there all the time, and not just when youre hungry.

        But solar cooking, yeah, not so much at these latitudes

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    18 days ago

    Currently in London on vacation, can confirm that most of the items served to me in the full English breakfast I had were barely cooked, the corned beef was cold out of a can. Do not recommend.

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      Corned beef? What in Gods name would that be doing in a Full English? A proper Full English is served scalding hot on a plate that’s nearly glowing red. The egg is fried and has brown crispy bits, the bacon fat is browned but the meat is tender and the sausages are anything between brown and dark brown. The beans, well, if you aren’t mad you ask for it without those because they’re disgusting. The bread should be either toasted & buttered or fried in the bacon fat. Deranged people will add HP sauce or, heaven forbid, tomato ketchup, but it is best to offer such people pity and support in the hope that they will one day recover.

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      I’m from the countryside in north of England and have lived in London at points for many years of my life. London is generally the worst for proper British food, in my experience. The best fry ups, fish and chips and all that you’re gunna get is in small towns or villages where the place itself is bare bones and no frills. Far cheaper too

      That said, I’ll of course take most other cuisine over our own. I do like foods that require a good amount of seasoning and some actual spice. Our cuisine is really helped by those too as I see it. But most people here seem to draw the line at black pepper, sadly

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      Was that /s ? You can see the cooking marks on the meats, potatoes are crispy, egg is obviously cooked, the tomatoes may have started out a whole tomatoes; you typically roast them in the oven till they are ready to pop open. But may canned tomatoes in this image.

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        Yeah this whole thread feels like either I’ve been dropped into a parallel universe or there’s something wrong with my monitor settings. Is it really that weird to not want your food totally blackened all over? The bacon and hash browns in particular look like they was taken out at exactly the right moment, just as they’re showing the first spots of browning. I wonder if maybe the details aren’t showing up clearly on mobile devices or something and people are reacting to that?

        I’m not judging anyone who likes their food overcooked, but there’s no need to be a dick to people who like to taste the meat not the heat.