No one is coming to save you, my friends. Strength, as always, lies in community building.
Also better written: “my friends: Strengthen yourselves together, you can achieve miracles when you bond.”
Has the sheep made any plans for this resistance? Have they made any preparations for it? Formed any organizations? No? They just expected all the other sheep to suddenly form themselves into an army, do all the work themselves, and then praise the guy who said “we should mount a resistance” as a great visionary hero?
The second sheep is right. That isn’t the time to say “we should mount a resistance”. It’s the time to actually resist using whatever means you have available. Of course, that would take actual effort and sacrifice, so they’ll just march to the slaughter wondering why the revolution never came.
The arrival and processing of an entire transport of Jews from Carpatho-Ruthenia, a region annexed in 1939 to Hungary from Czechoslovakia, at Auschwitz-Birkenau extermination camp in Poland, in May of 1944. The picture was donated to Yad Vashem in 1980 by Lili Jacob.To be fair some did try but there was surprisingly little resistance, most people just submitting to their “fate”
To be fair some did try but there was surprisingly little resistance
I mean, you can see this to some degree in cities like LA or Chicago or even Houston. Collective resistance efforts happen. You can - and people occasionally do - throw rocks or fire guns or even just fling their sandwiches at the occupying paramilitary.
But much like with the occupation of Iraq or Afghanistan or the capture of Syria or the bombings in Yemen or the invasion of Ukraine or the militarization of far-right governments in Guatamala and El Salvador and Honduras and Argentina, the state can bring a lot more violence against a nascent resistance movement than the movement can repel.
Without an active armed ally - like the French during the American Revolution or the Soviets in Vietnam - a government with the benefit of mass surveillance and air power and armored infantry is very difficult to dislodge.
Just look at Cuba, a country that’s been suffering the armed occupation of Guantanamo Bay for 60 years. Or Gaza, for that matter.
If I remember my history correctly, a major point of the gas chambers was that the prisoners were convinced that they had been sent to a labour camp, and were sent into the chambers to shower. By convincing people that they weren’t in immediate life threatening danger, it was much easier to control them.
Of course, nobody could even imagine the absolute horror of the Holocaust. If you told me that someone would take hundreds of thousands (millions) of fit, working age people and simply wipe them out, I would have a much easier time believing the other guy that said “no, you’re being sent to take a shower before being placed in a labour camp. Life will be hard, but obviously we wouldn’t waste resources just killing everyone on the spot.”
Of course, nobody could even imagine the absolute horror of the Holocaust.
The Armenians could. As could the Nambians. As could the residents of Nanjing, China and Gando, Korea.
But these mass murders were so chronically under-reported - even deliberately suppressed - in media controlled by the political opposition and its allies, that it was possible to never know they’d happened much less consider they could happen locally.
I would also note how the Israel assassination of journalists across Gaza and the West Bank has gone a long way towards suppressing the size and scale of their genocide, particularly at the upper reaches of western media. You absolutely can talk to people in DC or London or Berlin who will (either deliberately or out of their own cloistered media consumption habits) not recognize the scale of atrocity.
But even if you could have convinced someone staring into a cattle car in Poland or Austria that this was the beginning of the end, what would you expect this person to do? Surrounded by armed men who were, in turn, surrounded by tanks and supported by bombers, how were they expected to respond?
The countries had already been defeated. Their people had already been broken on the wheel of war. They were civilians without the training, much less the materials, to mount any kind of guerrilla campaign. They had no Che Guevara or Ho Chi Mein or even a Huey P. Newton to rally them. There certainly wasn’t a Mao on hand to lead them in a Long March for their survival and eventual return.
They’d put their trust in the established state lords. Those lords had failed. And now there was nothing standing between them and the gas chambers. Feels trite to say they all should have rushed the guards in a mob, when the Charge of the Light Brigade was the last famous incident of such epic folly.
Of course, historically people “could have imagined”. I’m talking about seeing this through the eyes of a civilian that is brought off a train wagon and told they are being put in a labour camp. In that situation, I think very few people have it in them to imagine that their captors are organising the largest and most industrialised mass murder in history, and that they won’t even make it out of the “showers” alive.
I don’t expect them to launch a revolt, but with prisoners outnumbering guards 100:1, I don’t think so many would have walked to their execution in orderly files. I think there would have been a lot more kicking and screaming involved if they knew what was coming. Remember that these weren’t strangers either: We’re talking about whole families and all their friends sitting calmly together on the train and walking willingly into the gas chambers. That only happens if people are lured into thinking this is something other than it is.
There’s a genocide happening in Palestine right now and anyone calling out the terrorist IDF army gets called “antisemetic”.
It is much easier to accept the situation than to suffer and try to change it. This is how we live even now…
The best time to mount a resistance is years ago. The second best time is today.
lmao this is dark… And a very good comparison of the world as it is now.
Reality is worse: 90% of sheep bred for meat are lambs slaughtered at less than 2 years old. Mutton (adult sheep) is cheaper and less preferred.
With how industry has changed chickens… I am always surprised they haven’t managed to modify sheep so that the adults are as desired as the young.
Why should they? Adults are more expensive to raise per kg of meat.
I assumed the adults were a lot bigger.
Not a lot. Growth slows down fast when an animal gets older.
So they are slaughtered at between 6 and 12 months, because that’s the time where the growth slows down too much.
No point in having a 30% heavier animal if it takes 2x as long to get to that point.
Totally, I didn’t realize they grew so fast. And in my head a lamb is like a baby. Guess not really.
Yeah, it’s like with the human term “child”. A child is anything from birth until age 12 or so. There’s quite a bit of a difference in that age range.
For sheep, a lamb is anything up to roughly a year.
In fact, sheep enter puberty at ~3-4 months, so a lamb will usually be slaughtered during puberty.
what’s so bad about any of that?
You have one specific meat industry largely organized around killing baby animals.
why should baby animals matter more than any other? one that’s had longer to live and develop relationships surely is worse to be led to slaughter than one with hardly any understanding of the world and their place in it.
Yeah I don’t think they were talking about keyboard warriors that would never actually do anything.
If keyboard warriors aren’t effective, then why are they among the first people that dictators go after?
If keyboard warriors aren’t effective, why do MAGAs put so much effort into the Conservative Propaganda Machine?
If not now, then when?
The dude forgot to draw “Democrats” on collars.
No, redundancy doesn’t make it funnier.
I’ve gotten flack from supposed anarchists, or fascists really.
I believe you mean sheeple. It’s funny how “freedom” is written on everything, in every politician’s speeches, and uttered in media at least once per segment. And yet these same people who wrote and speak about it would never lift a finger to uphold the freedom of others, and break down and cry, exclusively, when their freedom is taken away for just being themselves.
And yet these same people who wrote and speak about it would never lift a finger to uphold the freedom of others, and break down and cry, exclusively, when their freedom is taken away for just being themselves.
I enjoyed OPs comic, but from that linked exchange OP is telling people to buy weapons and body armor to fight the government but then says they wouldn’t participate in this because they’re in Japan and would potentially be detained by ICE if they came here. They’re engaging in exactly what I quoted from your comment, which is why they’re getting flack. They’re deriding people for not throwing themselves into a meat grinder all the while safely sitting 6,000 miles away in comfort.
It’s exactly the opposite, stickly@ has given up on saving his own family and friends, when I asked them to insurrect. They are absolutely welcome to surrender. I have not.
I challenged them 🧵 to even dismantle tourist deportations, and downvoted my motion. I can face fascism to the barrel, but not by myself.
Are you?I’m genuinely trying not to be mean, but this is some of the most cartoonish “tough guy” language I’ve seen in a long time.
You’re literally just sitting at your home 6,000 miles away anonymously goading others into amassing weapons and armor to fight one of the largest super powers in the world, talking about how you’re “willing to stare down the barrel of a gun,” while whining about downvotes on a website and saying that you can’t participate because you might get temporarily detained at the airport.
sheeple
Let’s not dehumanize stupidity. It’s a serious mal-evolution we have to fight against constantly, esp. in a up-downvote network.
*Oligarchs
Then the sheep mounts a resistance by doing the best it can (killing the farmer or shouting very loudly), see that whatever it has done hasn’t changed anything and that nobody is joining or paying attention to it, and then it’s an express ticket to meatpacking plant or worse.
Mounting a resistance is much harder than “just doing something”
and then it’s an express ticket to meatpacking plant or worse.
Where the sheep was going anyways in the first place. If we go out, why not make the best of it?
Have you tried the French Method
French method is how we got in the situation we are in, it literally led us from the rule of aristocrats to rule of capitalists
Well, given that the correct statement in that situation would be “We should run for our lives”, the 🐑 on the right is technically correct, the best kind of correct.
Run to get slaughtered?
Or take down the slaughterers?Whatever will produce the best outcome in both the short and the long term. Trying something and failing would be demoralizing, but still better than just getting slaughtered. Proving that escape is an option may encourage others to try and escape.
So there’s no real definitive answer to your question.
History proved otherwise…
Forgot where I read because it’s been years ago, but someone said that humans should be blessed being born human and not as sheep, as sheep can be led anywhere without question including for slaughter.
Blacks, women and LGBT folks have been the largest gun buying demographic for several years. You suburban white boys didn’t get the memo?
It’s a commitment for sure, NOT to be taken lightly. You do you.
The military can send missiles to any point on the globe with an accuracy of centimeters without losing a man. The time for a resistance was decades ago.
We overslept.
Yes. And the second best time is now.
Yeah… lol. It always looks good in text, doesn’t it?
“THE SECOND BEST TIME IS NOW.”
It’s such a bold and provocative statement. The problem is when it comes to actually do the work. Ninety one million people couldn’t bring themselves to check a box in November. So…. I predict that the castle will remain un-stormed.
This again.
bring themselves to check a box for genociders.This again.
As I said on the other comment you said the same thing on:
Looks like you ended up with all that genocide but now with a side of LGBTQ+ persecution, illegal deportations, and concentration camps!
How’s all that winning feeling bud?
I’m European, seeing you go down is winning
Yeah. So. I’m not sure what your damage is, but it’s not my business. There’s clear something going on there and it’s not my problem.
You’re derailing the conversation to illustrate that you get some sadistic joy from the suffering of others and I don’t believe giving you the platform to continue is healthy for anyone involved, so I’m blocking you.
Be sure to come at me with your sock puppets so I can block them too.
I think it’s just better for everyone.
some sadistic joy from the suffering of other
LOL
The majority of the world wants you violent imperialist mass murdererd gone.
It’s a joyful event.
No crocodile tears for any of you or your kind.
You’re absolutely fucking stupid if you think this is better. You get a genocide plus an erosion of every facet of your life, reducing your potential impact to affect said genocide.
Genocide started underBlue MAGA, they supported it.
What happens to the US and their erosion is deserved, they onlu cared about themselves anyway.
Now they get a taste of their own medicine. Enjoy
But rolling over is not an option. The military isn’t going to kill all the workers. The workers are more important than any other group. If the workers strike, the rich suffer.
I’m not sure if anyone told you, but if the workers strike- everyone will also suffer. Including non combatant civilians.
Obviously. What do you think happens to the workers once they’re enslaved? The workers need to unite NOW, if they’re ever gonna have a chance to pull the rich and powerfull down into the mud.
But what is your solution to the current issue then?
So… your solutions is basically to fuck everyone and just stop everything. lol….
Good luck with that.
My solution?
My solution is to have had everyone vote back in November. That way the bed we’re now having to lie in wouldn’t have been made for us in such a way that would lead to you and I having to have this conversation.
But considering the fact that my solution requires manipulating the laws of physics, and fits has a barely above zero chance of succeeding.
We’re fucked and all we can do is wait it out.
Voter turnout is always highest for presidential elections, and the last two have had the highest in decades. Yet that is still in the low 60’s. Any ideas for how to increase turnout?
A fascist dictator who laid out exactly what he was going to do in a bullet pointed manefesto was enough for me. But considering that this wasn’t enough to make people get off their asses and check a fucking box- I really don’t see anyone scrambling to arms.
There was no box with a non-genocide collaborator.
vote harder!
If you did have a time machine, how would you get everyone to vote?
Oh there’d be no way I alone would be able to move that mountain. The concept I spoke of involved everyone from right now, going back to 2024 knowing then what we know now…. for a do-over.
But the more I read through the comments, the more I have to accept that many of the people here would chose not change a fucking thing.
There’s tons of people here who were here during the election that were crying and shouting for everyone to not vote blue.
Every single one of them that haven’t run away or rolled an alt so as to return to play the victim of their own decisions- are still going on about that shit. Not a single one admitting they made a mistake and that they wished they could have helped stop this. Not ONE. Yet you don’t see anyone wishing they hadn’t voted against Trump. Even if they (like me) had to plug their nose to do it.
So at this point, I think the collective ignorance has reached such a profound level, that it would be impervious to any form of modification via time travel. It’s so much a part of our fucking culture now, that there’s no chance we wouldn’t just take that shit back there with us. Hell, I’d go so far as to say that our ignorance so fucking prevalent within us that I honestly believe that at this point- it’s embedded into our evolutionary process- essentially….
stupidity is in our DNA.
You know how you could change it? By convincing the DNC they will 100% lose on the platform and actions that made them lose. Nothing else, going back and trying to tell millions of people that ICE will send people to concentration camps and deprive them of due process and give Israel unlimited logistical and diplomatic support as they commit a genocide, and they will say “…like theyre doing now?”
But… they don’t have enough missles to kill even 1% of the population (no source) Unless you include nukes… So they don’t really matter if the resistance is large enough.
they don’t have enough missles to kill even 1% of the population
So if we’re going to resort to splitting hairs, let’s do it right.
No- America does not have enough “missles” to kill everyone in America. However the number they can kill would be FAR greater than one percent, as one percent of America is only three point three million people. The population of New York alone is eight point eight million.
So, if the military simply just sent one or two Trident II D5s per city, it would wipe out any potential resistances that could even stand a snowball’s chance in Florida.
Now, that’s just New York.
The U.S. has fourteen Ohio-class submarines. Each capable of carrying a maximum of twenty Trident II D5 missiles, for a total of two hundred and eighty deployed missiles.
So let’s say we sent two per major US city. That’s one hundred and forty major US cities of their choosing- Wiped out. Gone.
The only half-assed winning strategy here would be to amass said resistance in the heart of every red state.
Hope this helps.
I did say unless you include nukes.
And my point was that they don’t even need them to shut that shit down.
Two non nukes per city would be barely a scratch. Maybe a few thousand people per city if you hit the most densly populated spot.
Look up what a Trident 2 D5 can do.
America didn’t win in Afghanistan, and you think it would win a war if the military was forced to turn their guns on friends and family?
Yes. I absolutely do. There’s a reason Trump fired military commanders.
commanders don’t really matter if the soldiers revolt
The soldiers are people who looked at this and said “sign me up”.
Disagree. There’s too many Americans to carpet the whole 🇺🇲. Trump doesn’t want a pyrrhic victory.
Trump wants a victory. I all but guarantee he doesn’t care how it happens.
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Cool, we’ll wait for you to do something instead of being edgy on the internet.
