What’s up with this straight up pro-china and pro-russia stuff on Lemmy lately?

It’s not even praising the people of China and Russia, but rather their gov directly.

Obviously the states have problems, and the EU to a lesser degree, but they at least have some human rights.

Is this some kind of organized disinformation campaign?

  • Tomorrow_Farewell [any, they/them]@hexbear.net
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    Right. I agree that NATO tacitly supports US imperialism

    Not ‘tacitly’, and not just the US’ imperialism.
    You are blatantly trying to absolve the glorified USian provinces of imperialism and colonialism by downplaying their complicity and willingness in subjecting the world to these horrors.

    but you’re also conflating the actions of the US with NATO as a whole.

    You are, again, trying to downplay the actions of the US’ glorified provinces that is the rest of NATO, and distance them from their own actions.

    Turkey did not invade Afghanistan for example.

    Turkey did invade Afghanistan. And other places, together with the rest of NATO.

    Also the idea that NATO caused the Bosnian Genocide is laughable.

    Given that you keep being demonstrated to be wrong about everything, you should stop laughing about things that people who are consistently correct tell you.

    NATO did not attack Russia.

    The most prolific invader in the world that is engaging in at least one obvious and high-profile genocide doing a coup in a country that neighbours another country’s most populated areas and then attempting to bring weapons and personnel to the relevant border is, in fact, an act of aggression, and the rest of the world has every right to defend itself against NATO.

    Russia invaded Ukraine.

    As a response to NATO’s aggression.

    Notably, you are yet to explain what Russia should have done, despite you being prompted to.

    Do Ukrainians have a right to defend themselves from Russian imperial aggression?

    Did Germans have a right to defend themselves from the Allies’ ‘imperial aggression’ in 1930-1940s?
    Also, going to note that you are completely fine with terror attacks conducted by your empire, including against the Russian population which you deny any right to defend itself against you.
    The rest of the world has a right to defend itself against NATO. The population of the most prolific invader in the world that is currently engaging in at least one high-profile genocide is not the priority in this situation (unless, again, you think that the rest of the world should roll over for you).

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      Let’s look at this from another perspective.

      Russia has completely failed it’s “special military operation” in Ukraine and is bogged down in a war of attrition with a nation that is not in NATO.

      NATO countries are supplying a trickle of arms to Ukraine, but without a single NATO boot on the ground, without a single aircraft carrier, Russia has been stopped in its tracks and has failed to complete the majority of it’s military objectives, having even lost actual Russian territory to Ukrainian counter offensives.

      Clearly Russia would not stand a chance if NATO decided to invade them.

      So that begs the question, if you believe NATO wants to invade Russia, and it’s clear Russia couldn’t stop them, why haven’t they?

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        Russia has completely failed it’s “special military operation” in Ukraine and is bogged down in a war of attrition with a nation that is not in NATO.

        Yes, Russia’s gamble to bring Ukraine to the negotiating table using a minimal amount of troops and minimal force failed, because the US & UK blocked it. So now it’s a slow, grinding war of attrition.

        Russia has been stopped in its tracks and has failed to complete the majority of it’s military objectives

        All signs point to Russia winning this war, yet somehow you’re framing it as them losing 🤷 Do you know what their objectives are?

        Clearly Russia would not stand a chance if NATO decided to invade them.

        No one in history has succeeded in taking Russia with an invasion force, not even before Russia had nuclear weapons, and now it has more of them than anyone else. Not Napoleon, not Hitler. It’s two-thirds larger than the next-largest country.

        The NATO countries have de-industrialized themselves. They’re in no condition to invade Iran right now, never mind Russia. They don’t even have the industrial capacity to properly arm Ukraine. Russia meanwhile hasn’t de-industrialized nearly as much and isn’t running out of materiel.

        if you believe NATO wants to invade Russia

        I believe nothing of the sort. What the US wants is for Russia to be regime changed, Balkanized, and re-neocolonized. And they want it without needing to put any of their own boots on the ground. Ukraine is a pawn on the US’s “grand chessboard.” The US wanted this proxy war. Previously.