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    Well I guess that’s true if you shoplift. Shoplifting is fine. Just don’t give money to factory farmers or their distribution networks.

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      unless farmers don’t have free will, the only thing that can be said to cause them to farm is their own choice.

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        So you’re saying if I paid an assassin a million dollars to take your life, I wouldn’t have any blame for your murder, because the assassin has free will?

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          that’s not what happens in the meat industry. the animal is already dead, and everyone involved is already paid long before I walk into a grocery store. it’s not a conspiracy.

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            Do you think if everyone in the world stopped buying meat, that the slaughterhouses would keep killing cows? I’m going to assume you don’t think that, and I’m going to assume you believe the slaughterhouses kill cows because people buy them.

            So let me know if you DON’T think that your and others’ purchasing of meat causes animal agriculture. Because I think you agree that your actions and others’ actions cause it.

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              you believe the slaughterhouses kill cows because people buy them.

              no. slaughterhouses kill cows because they are paid by the cattle owners to do so.

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              animal agriculture existed before anyone ever bought meat. purchasing meat didn’t cause animal agriculture.

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                    It’s too late to prevent murder from existing, so if I pay that assassin a million dollars to murder you, I don’t see how that changes the state of the world meaningfully

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              Do you think if everyone in the world stopped buying meat, that the slaughterhouses would keep killing cows?

              no, do you have a plan to make that happen?