Are they even in breach of those terms right now? My understanding was that it only mentions illegal games. This was part of the reason why MC isn’t even talking to Valve, because they have no leg to stand on.
But the entire problem at this point is that no one actually knows what the actual, specific guidelines even are.
…
MC + Visa get pressured from Aussie Puritans.
MC + Visa basically have a Zoom call with Steam and Itch, and tap on the gigantic sign in the backdrop, at one specific rule… which is actually pretty vague.
Steam and Itch then do their best to interperet that as broadly as possible, update their own policies.
Gamers revolt, blow up MC + Visas phones and emails.
MC and Visa backpedal, claim that well actually, Step 2 didn’t go down like that, they were actually pressured by… all their other partner client banks, whom they also largely lord over with an extreme power imbalance?
New local laws, which are not specified at all?
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The entire problem is that MC and Visa just thought they could swing their dick around, make vague threats, leave Steam and Itch to … figure out all the details… and then that blew up in their faces.
Had they actually done a legitimate amount of research, such that they could actually give much more specific guidelines, you know maybe involving Steam and Itch in the process, in a mutually collaborative way, instead of an authoritarian way?
Well then this mess would not have happened.
And now, actually doing this is the only way to fix the situation.
… They could have just done this from the get go, and not have caused mass confusion and a huge consumer revolt.
…
So this all isn’t me disagreeing with you, its basically me agreeing, yes-anding, just expanding on how the entire fucking problem didn’t even need to exist, the problem is the utter lack of clarity and specificity, was borne out of total hubris on the part of MC + Visa.
I just think, if it went to court, Valve would eat MC’s lunch. So I’m not sure they should be worried about being in breach of terms (that they haven’t even breached).
Literally every credit or debit transaction that involves them?
Oh yeah, they shave a penny or two or sometimes more off of that transaction, the business and actual banks involved usually eat it, not too long ago it would be much more common for retailers to pass some of it to the consumer as well.
Its the Office Space scam, but actually legit, at a muuuch grander scale.
Thats a fucking money printing machine, they unironically have at least 10,000x more money to throw at lawyers than Valve does.
Are they even in breach of those terms right now? My understanding was that it only mentions illegal games. This was part of the reason why MC isn’t even talking to Valve, because they have no leg to stand on.
Are they in breach right now?
Evidently no…
But the entire problem at this point is that no one actually knows what the actual, specific guidelines even are.
…
MC + Visa get pressured from Aussie Puritans.
MC + Visa basically have a Zoom call with Steam and Itch, and tap on the gigantic sign in the backdrop, at one specific rule… which is actually pretty vague.
Steam and Itch then do their best to interperet that as broadly as possible, update their own policies.
Gamers revolt, blow up MC + Visas phones and emails.
MC and Visa backpedal, claim that well actually, Step 2 didn’t go down like that, they were actually pressured by… all their other partner client banks, whom they also largely lord over with an extreme power imbalance?
New local laws, which are not specified at all?
…
The entire problem is that MC and Visa just thought they could swing their dick around, make vague threats, leave Steam and Itch to … figure out all the details… and then that blew up in their faces.
Had they actually done a legitimate amount of research, such that they could actually give much more specific guidelines, you know maybe involving Steam and Itch in the process, in a mutually collaborative way, instead of an authoritarian way?
Well then this mess would not have happened.
And now, actually doing this is the only way to fix the situation.
… They could have just done this from the get go, and not have caused mass confusion and a huge consumer revolt.
…
So this all isn’t me disagreeing with you, its basically me agreeing, yes-anding, just expanding on how the entire fucking problem didn’t even need to exist, the problem is the utter lack of clarity and specificity, was borne out of total hubris on the part of MC + Visa.
I just think, if it went to court, Valve would eat MC’s lunch. So I’m not sure they should be worried about being in breach of terms (that they haven’t even breached).
I hear you, but I wouldn’t go that far.
You think Steam is a money printing machine?
MC and Visa are payment processors.
Literally every credit or debit transaction that involves them?
Oh yeah, they shave a penny or two or sometimes more off of that transaction, the business and actual banks involved usually eat it, not too long ago it would be much more common for retailers to pass some of it to the consumer as well.
Its the Office Space scam, but actually legit, at a muuuch grander scale.
Thats a fucking money printing machine, they unironically have at least 10,000x more money to throw at lawyers than Valve does.
It doesn’t matter how many lawyers you have, when Valve is literally simply not in violation of the terms of their contract.